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Hi. I've pledged for the limited edition and I can't wait to see how it turns out, but i do have a couple questions/concerns.
1. I have a remee mask like you showed in the video, it works on a timer rather than a sensor, so i'm glad you're using a sensor. However where will the amplifier go? I tend to turn around while i try to go to sleep and I don't want to be rolling over it or strangle myself with the wire. Also the picture of the sensor makes it look pointy.
2. The ear plugs are a neat Idea, but how will it be affected by sleeping on my side? Will it get pushed into my ear? and how much sound dose it block out in case some one is trying to call me outside my bedroom?
3. I think the biggest problem with the Remee, like you said is that I unconsciously take off at night (the second night I woke up with it around my ankles), I think the reason for this is because the thing can't breath and gets hot from body heat really quickly, How hot does the hand band get?
Great project! Is there free shipping worldwide?
Also, can the audio message be customized?
I'm also an international backer, and I wanted to know about international shipping.
Thank you for all your support! Here are the answers to your questions so far...
- The pledge amount includes shipping worldwide
- Depending on the amount of funds, we plan on implementing a USB port which will allow you to customize the message.
- The amplifier will be small enough to be worn on you or sit on a night table.
- The dry electodes are quite comfortable. While they look pointy, the "points" are closely dispersed, so you feel only a single object on your head. And after a few minutes, you don't feel it at all.
- If you still have a need to be aware of the outside environment, you can wear only one earbud.
- We plan on perforating the silicone to make it breathable. The system itself doesn't get hot since the electronics aren't on the headband.
Is there is any technical difference between limited edition and regular edition..?
If there is enough funding to include a USB port then I recommend adding a programmable alarm feature that can wake you up during a light sleep stage within a certain time frame. I believe that allows you to feel a lot more rested and energized throughout the day. Example: IF in REM/Stage1 between 7:00a and 7:30a THEN sound alarm.
KuTub, there is no technical difference in any of our models.
Tyler, that would be a nice idea. I have actually used an app on my smartphone that does exactly that, wakes you up at the optimal time. I recommended it to many friends. I don't know why we didn't think about it sooner. We will definitely be talking about it at our next meeting.
Hi there, I've just backed the LUCI, looks great! One question though, how likely is it that I will have a lucid dream while wearing the LUCI? If I am a deep sleeper, does this make it more unlikely that I won't hear the voice and not have a lucid dream? Or if I'm a light sleeper, is it likely that it will wake me up completely? Thanks!
I recall hearing about Lucid Dreaming a long time ago, and I sort of forgot about it. Seeing Luci on Kickstarter not only has reminded me of my intention to try learning this technique, but it has made me truly excited to do so! It makes me feel like it will be a great tool for a beginner like me to learn to recognize when I am entering a dream state. I can also see the value for experienced users.
That said, I have a few questions/suggestions:
1) I agree that the USB drive really needs to be there. If push comes to shove, perhaps you can offer a basic Luci without it and a slightly more expensive model with the USB port. For me, a USB port opens a world of possibilities.Having a lucid dream is the entire point, but being able to transfer the data onto my computer for analyzing would be incredibly useful to me -- and I'd hope that you'd consider creating a computer program and iOS app to do just that. I would love to be able to delve into seeing patterns in my lucid dreams, among other things. (It would be cool if you could video record my lucid dreams to playback, but I don't think that current technology is at that stage yet, lol). Plus, an app/program could be used as a teaching tool to help me improve my techniques based on the data it receives, give me a space to write a journal of my experiences, etc.
2) I hope the headphones are very comfortable and will come with several sized silicone tips. I'm a big audiophile and know what people look for in headphones, so I'm always aware that people have different sized ear canals. Depending on the housing, it's often hard to simply use tips from another pair of headphones. People will appreciate the sizing options and won't get frustrated when the Luci headphones fall out of their ears or won't fit inside at all. Also, it would be awesome if you could offer a premium comfort tip that is designed for long-time wearing since Luci would be used for around 8 hours each time. Some people do not find silicone tips comfortable for more than an hour, causing "ear fatigue" and prefer memory foam ones instead. Monster makes tips from gel and also memory foam -- they are probably marked up 10000000% more than they ought to be, but perhaps you could team up with them or create your own version (whichever is more cost-effective). See their version here: http://www.amazon.com/Monster-Foam-SuperTip-Sampler-Starter/dp/B003TFEHMA/ref=sr_1_2…
3) Sometimes headphones bust, whether due to frayed wires, sleeping on the housing, etc. Are the headphones able to be replaced by the user should this occur? And would they need to be Luci brand headphones or would any earbud work?
4) I know people are concerned about the wires. I am wondering whether wireless solutions could be employed, with with the headphones, amp, or both. Could Bluetooth and wifi connectivity eliminate the wires? Again, integrating wireless technology could be the difference between a basic and premium model. I am certain this could work with headphones, but I'm not sure whether it is technically possible with an amp. Eiher way, eliminating some or all of the wires would decrease discomfort, annoyances, and choking hazards for many people -- plus, the wire may not be long enough to reach some nightstands (unless there were an optional way to attach an extension cord of sorts).
5) I was also going to bring up the need for an alarm system, but someone beat me to it! Again, having a Luci app could allow Lucy to the functions that many alarm and sleep analyzing apps can perform -- but the alarm would wake me through Luci. It would need to be something that gradually awakens a person and isn't jarring where I person could set the time they need to get up, and then depending upon your sleep pattern for a particular night, Luci would know just the right time to gently begin the waking process.
6) Speaking of being a dreamer, here's a wish. Once you have software, the possibilities become endless. I was thinking how great it would be to use Luci when I nap. Yes, it's true that REM sleep won't really happen during a nap, but there are ways of invigorating or relaxing people by having people listen to binaural and isochronic entrainment as Luci monitors a person's brainwaves during this process? (Check out Tesla Audio Systems iOS apps -- the UI's stink, but I could see a similar concept being made to work with Luci.) Or for guided biofeedback sessions with an added kit of electrodes that would measure heart rate, body temp, sweat, etc.? Again, all of this data could potentially be collected and used for analyzing and self-improvement. I am a big fan of biofeedback with relaxation and guided imagery methods and learned to do it quite well in a doctor's office where I was augmenting other treatments for a severe chronic pain syndrome that I developed from an accident.
7) Luci clearly runs on power, but I didn't notice how it is powered. Is it rechargeable? (That would be yet another reason to have a USB port.) What type of rechargeable battery would you use to ensure long life and would it be easily replaceable when it wears out? And how long would the charge last before needing to be recharged? 8 hours? 96 hours? If it's not rechargeable, what kind of batteries would it require?
8) Will there be a storage/travel case? I'd love to see a slim, sturdy case that is travel friendly. I didn't see whether a case is included.
Above all, I can't wait to get my Luci and begin my adventure with lucid dreaming -- the last time I remember having a vivid dream was over 10 years ago, and I miss it. Lucid dreams sound way better than a normal dream, so I'm no longer sorry that I've missed having them, lol. I know that even if you would be able to incorporate some of my ideas, you will probably would not do so by the time the first production rolls around, but perhaps it will be possible in a future model . . . and maybe I'd at least get a discount for providing the ideas/solutions (wink, wink! lol!!!!).
P.S. I'm proud to proclaim that the first Kickstarter I've backed is for Luci!
P.P.S. Sorry for the extremely long comment, but I'm truly excited to provide my ideas and share my excitement!
@Laura I might be able to answer that. The purpose of the device is to alert you that you are dreaming while in REM which is the lightest stage of sleep and closest thing to being awake. With that being said, it doesn't matter how deep of a sleeper you are, you always will have REM cycles.
@GXP I am glad I could contribute. It would probably need a setting to wake you up by a certain time regardless of what sleep stage you are in. Bluetooth connection to a phone app would help tremendously if within reason and could replace needing a USB port.
One more thing I am worried about is wear and tear. For a $299 device with wires that can get tangled in sleep it would be awesome to have a modular device capable of replacement parts including the actual headband. Headphones for me never last for long (I fall asleep to audiobooks on a sleep timer). It would be disappointing to have to purchase a new device every time something breaks.
Also +1 for comfy earbuds that also stay in all night!
I understand everything needs to be within budget, designed, and manufactured. I know a lot of time, money, and effort goes into each new feature. Keep up the good work and stay within reason. Parts can always be upgraded later :-)
The comments here about intl shipping are going to be important to more people (like me - hi from Australia!); could you post a FAQ entry saying that international postage is included? I browsed up and down looking for it before coming to the comments.
Thanks @Tyler! One question still remains however - how likely is it that I will have a lucid dream while wearing the LUCI? Are there any statistics? I.e. out of 15 people, 10 experienced lucid dreaming, etc.
Good question, the only thing missing on the page are statistics !
Thank you for all your comments. We will be putting a table of test results later this week, or early next week. But I assure you that this little device exceeds our expectations. There will be a volume setting to adjust the voice to your liking. But to be honest, the test results don't show much difference between settings, meaning that you're likely to hear the voice at its lowest setting and the loudest setting probably won't wake you up. If you're in a dream, your brain will naturally want to stay in that stage.
We will start compiling a FAQ. :)
Hello, the most important stretchgoal would be a personal message to trigger the lucid state. I think that this allows localization (languages), priming (setting) etc. This would also allow the owner of a LUCI to experiment with different triggers and even ongoing stimulations. In an ideal technical setup one could exchange the WAV-file and set the amount of loops. So I could use a short "you are dreaming" or "du träumst" (german) and repeat it 3-5 times OR I could build my custom track with a trigger and music afterwards or other voice hints and only repeat it 1-2 times. This results in the LUCI having an removable SD card or a USB connector.
I'd like to suggest one more thing-- a LED on the amplifier that lights up during a dream. so others can actually see when the person is dreaming.
Thanks for the statistics!
What was the statistics the two weeks before the prototype was tested? I.e without lucid dreaming technology.
And yes, a LED that lights up when the person is dreaming is definitely necessary! Nice suggestion.
And a custom message is key :-)
Very nice! What sizes does the headband fit?
A 3.5 mm headphone port would be great for when the built-in phones give up the ghost.
Just backed this, been interested in lucid dreaming for a little while now but haven't managed to have one, hopefully this will help!
How about using the material these guys use, instead of silicone: http://www.frogglezgoggles.com/
It is so much easier to take on and off it seems.
Im interested in this, but the ear buds look terribly uncomfortable especially to sleep in
Something like this looks much better (though I have tried this and it was still uncomfortable, they had the right idea. their ear parts were still a little too hard, if they had more cushioning in it it would be perfect
Earbuds hurt my ears, I cant imagine even sleeping in them
Svein, that's a great suggestion . . . but the website doesn't say what material they use. It looks like neoprene. I don't know how others would feel, but here's my personal opinion. Honestly, I wouldn't like neoprene because it would get dirty and smelly very easily from sweating and normal wear, and with the electrical components, Luci couldn't be washed. Neoprene can also develop holes and snags very easily. Plus, I don't like the feel of neoprene. I have many neoprene items in my house (ie: oven mitts, eye masks for sleeping, etc.), and all three problems appeared in each after owning them for no more than a week. Oh, and neoprene can get surprisingly hot too because it's not breathable (I guess that wouldn't be an issue for goggles when you're in the pool).
At the end of the day, I'd still rather have the silicone. It may be hot for some people, but it won't get dirty/smelly, develop holes/snags, and it will still feel nice against the skin. I was thinking, though, that maybe a thin, removable sweat guard could be added on the inner part of the band's forehead for those people who tend to get hot -- this way, it could be washed and would feel cooler. Between that and some added airholes that the inventor said will be added, I think that would do the trick. I have neurological syndrome that makes me very hot, and I'd be perfectly ok with this!
How about audio passthrough so we can play lullabies? (or binaural entrainment tracks, heh)
This may help those people that don't fall asleep easy with earbuds in their ears, me included.
Also, has a stretch goal been announced for the USB port feature?
Jared, very interesting idea!
I've seen those Sleephones. I have several friends who've owned them and complained of basically everything that I wrote in my comment below to Svein -- the fleece material is hot, it got horribly dirty, smelly, and sweaty, and developed snags and holes. Luci can't be washed, and I'd be quite upset if my expensive product's headband developed holes.
However, there's one thing that is great about SleepPhones -- the design of flat speakers that don't go inside the ears. My friends have said that the noise leaks out, so it could potentially disturb sleep partners. Skullycandy actually makes a similar idea of a flat speaker that can be shoved into hats, helmets, etc. (http://www.skullcandy.com/shop/home-brew-kit), and they also obviously leak sound despite addressing the comfort. If the noise leaking could be fixed, I could see this being built into Luci's current silicone headband.
Awesome, idea, Jared!
Also in the pitch it says the remee or similar masks detect rem movement via your eyes, it's just on a timer
If you guys switched from an earbud to a flat soft speaker like the sleep phone, this would be a product id be interested in
Is the volume control on the amp housing?
The hard thing for me is the fancy schmancy detection being worth the price
Using a free android app on my phone, that plays a recorded sound of me saying "youre dreaming" after a certain time and just playing it over and over as im sure the luci does, Im not sure if detecting rem sleep instead of just playing the sounds after a timer is worth the extra money
What about making this device hackable? Specifically, could you add some kind of jack, like an 1/8 inch headphone jack or screw terminals that would provide a signal that goes high to 3 volt or 5 volt whenever REM state is detected? This would open up a world of opportunities for people to interface anything they want to this device without having to open the case on the LUCI. As far as I know no other lucid dreaming device provides this functionality yet. That could be one of your competitive advantages. Other people could then start building and even selling accessories for the LUCI like Bluetooth transmitters that communicate with cell phone apps or computers for media playback or logging, or activators for other hardware like lights, heat pads, fans, or whatever other physical stimuli they might be interest in. Every accessory sold by someone else would mean one more LUCI sold by you guys. Let other people help make your device more popular. I plan on getting a LUCI and breaking it open to interface to it however it would be hard to make and sell accessories and expect end users to open the case on the LUCI and start soldering. I think it would be cool to sync two LUCIs over the internet and then play the exact same audio cues to two (or more) people at the same time whenever they happen to both be in REM state at the same time, then see how similar their dreams are. Give people the opportunity to easily interface to the LUCI and I think you would might be surprised at the ideas people come up with. I'm really looking forward to getting my LUCI and experimenting with it!
I really like your suggestion Anthony, I would like this too!
Looking at the pledges, will the $150 pledge for a luci come with an ebook as well? Although luci will basically do it for us, I think the book would be nice too! :)
It would be nice to actually see when certain "upgrades" or additions are unlocked.
Only just under $500 to go and you've only been up for a few days, congrats! :)
1. bluetooth and a smartphone interface would be fantastic i mean getting our sleeping brain wave logged and maybe shared with the world sounds revolutionary.
2. Im gonna use LUSI daily and unless you're using a new type of soft headsets to minimise the inevitable ear pain external sound is much needed i believe.
other than that - Remee doesn't stand a chance!
Please NO Bluetooth for me. I don't need additional RF signals and EM fields in my bedroom.
A USB port and the possibility to record and show brainwaves could attract a whole new group of buyers who have difficulty sleeping and want to understand why.
Bone conduction speakers and the possibility to use a more personal message would be wonderful upgrades.
Keep up the good work!
Well ill have to respect my fellow's backer request and encourage the USB port instead of the BT. Regarding the bone conduction speakers which is a brilliant idea but not quite solving the convenience issue, perhaps leaving this matter user selectable if possible (:
After receiving some more feature suggestions, I suggest putting up a poll to see what is most wanted by the backers.
And please, no bluetooth for me. At least have the possibility to cut all power to the bluetooth, because some people don't care about harmful EMF and would love the accessibility of bluetooth. But I want wired connectivity, no wireless.
For comfortable earplugs, one could make custom molded ones: http://www.earfuze.com/
Pretty cheap actually.
Hi, just backed up, this is the first project I ever back hehe =)
I wanted to agree with some of the suggestions, both no radiations in the head please and usb/jack would be great.
The thing is, if the headphones get broken, its far easier to replace just for another pair and jack them in than joining them yourself...
The cheapest way I can think of for brainwaves tracking would be to make an instant output into USB so you avoid to have to put memory in.
Then someone can plug the device into a computer and recieve the data input.
Also, it would be really important for the device to be configurable via USB.
Not only the message times and volume, but to some degree, the depth of the brainwaves required for it to appear, or siesta vs long night sleep configuration.
This is what already another Lucid Dream Kickstarter project does (the eyes mask). They offer a website with easy config to change time, frecuency and shape of the led lights.
But we dont need that, just with the device accepting some python (or any other) coding, that would be more than enough for people to make smarter programs to pinpoint the required phase better, share info, etc.
thanks for this project.
I LOVE the headphones jack idea. This will give us freedom to choose the most convenient headphones brand/design and it's also more reliable such that if anything goes wrong with it we can just replace it.
Been thinking a bit more, and actually there is an alternative of this device for SmartPhone Users (mostly anybody who is willing to buy something like this).
The alternative is to only provide a USB output, and make the wand a plugin for Android and Iphone phones.
Then, making an Android app that gets the info, and warns the user. Then the user can decide wether to use jacks, the phone audio, anything. Also this would allow to spare the internal memory, most of the hardware and software, since the "brain" of this would be the phone. It would be cheaper, since most of the hardware and software this needs is already in any smartphone.... And would be extremely and easily configurable, anyone who can make an android app would be able to use the USB input as source of data and interactions, many android apps could come for detecting your brainwaves during study, at night, etc, with the most confortable cheapest brainwaves headband in the market!
I like the headphone jack idea much better, Id hook up the unit to some pc speakers I keep on my bed that play my current timer-based lucid dream alarm
I dont like using earbuds, so a headphone jack would allow people to use speakers if they wanted to
I would back if you made this change, but as it stands right now, with ear buds, it isnt a product Im interested in
I just wouldnt sleep comfortably with earbuds in my ears. i cant stand them, they hurt my ears
I totally agree with you about the earbuds pain, but I dont in the connector that should be added:
If a Jack is added:
-We will not have a way to get the information out of the device
-We will not be able to tell the device how to behave, it will only have one set of defaults.
-In that case, perhaphs those defaults adjust to yourself, perhaphs not, then you have a useless device (for you)
If a USB is added:
On the Software side we have this advantages:
-Simple Android or Ios programs (seriously, I program them, it would be simple) would be able to get, store, track, calculate and provide the best solution for you.
-Its extremely more simple to make a highly versatile and configurable app that uses the incoming data for Android or IOs than a configurable-programable device from scratch.
-Your phone then becomes a (very high potential) BrainWave tracking device, and many apps can be made so it helps you study, or any other uses the users want to do.
-This would allow, for instance, for the users to share their expriences and be able to, with a bit of data, pinpoint the Exact moment the sound must be played.
-Further study of the data will probably lead to more useful applications of this.
On the other sides I can think of:
-The device wont need to have any specific programing interface or hardware for storage, for supporting the software, etc, dramatically decreasing the price
-Lower price can potentially make this wand the standard for portable BrainWave tracking device,also thanks to its versatility and compatibility with mostly any phone in the market.
-And last, but not least,you will also have your jack through the phone!!
So for those reasons and as a full backer I would still go for the USB instead of the jack, given that we confirm that it will be cheaper to make a hardwareless-device and plug it into a phone so we spare making a much more limited version of something already exists and most people have.
The device can have both the USB and the jack since the processing unit is detached.
Just backed LUCI ( my first project backed ) and I am thrilled to receive mine when ready ! keep up the good work , hope to see some more test results!
We already exceeded the funding goal by $20,000 I think we need an official update from LUCI team on stretch goals and the final design of the product along with stretch goals.
I just thought of this feature: Luci waking us up with an alarm 5 or 10 min after it has given the you are dreaming notification. This way we will have the biggest chance of remembering the dream or the lucid dream, we can write it down and then continue sleeping. This is also a great way of learning to remember dreams, which is paramount to lucid dreaming.
Maybe the alarm can be set to go of just once or twice times in a night, not every time we dream. Maybe we can say it should wake us first on the 4. dream and every one after that. Just an example.
Maybe we can configure what the alarm delay is, after the dream notification. 1 min - 15 min or more maybe. But I believe the best delay often can be between 5 or 10 min.
I think this feature is a keystone feature, almost as important as the dream notification itself. And it is so great that Luci can wake is up, when it knows we are dreaming. Then we know we will remember the dream, and no wasting with a random or preset alarm.
Such a great learning tool and feature!
Svein, I really like the features you talk about.
It can be used also as a wake up alarm that will wake us up when the cycle is the best one for the body to wake up (depending on the sleep phase you are, it will be better for you to wake up than to enter into the next one and wake up on that, you will feel a lot worse).
This feature along with the ones you propose, IMO, can only be archieved if the device can interact with an Android or IOs device, as I mentioned in previous posts.
When Luci wake us up during a dream, it IS always the best time in the whole sleep cycle for us to wake up because that is when we are the most awake.
Then we can look at our clock and see if it is time to start the day.
If not, we go back to sleep and LUCI will wake us in about 90 minutes during the next dream. But if it is time to go out of bed, then we just go out of bed.
If we tell Luci to wake us only after the 6. dream or something, then we know pretty much when the are going to be awoken.
I see the benefit of a smart phone solution, and I still prefer LUCI being a stand alone device that doesn't depend on a smart phone.
A custom voice notification "You are dreaming, take control" and a dream alarm that wakes us up 10 min after the voice notification, is all I need from LUCI.
A jack plug for custom earplugs/speakers is good also.
A LED that lights up when we are dreaming is a nice feature, and a little more important: a dedicated output which goes "HIGH" during a dream, so people can make their own custom things from it. The one that Anthony Branscum suggested.
I don't mind the possibility of connecting to a smart phone, but don't want to be dependent on it. I am not going to use it.
Why dont you make a new pledge with 2 x Luci ´s with a slight discount ?
I am pretty shure that most people would love to share the ecxperience with someone. (Girl / boyfriend, friend, and so on )
And this would also help the sales of the project...
Just a thought from me :)
Are you guys going to be doing any stretch goals? I'm really excited about this product and looking forward to it!
@Svein Hey yes I agree, making the device Smartphone dependant would be a mistake, but was trying to share the idea that perhaphs a version which is smartphone-dependant would be cheaper, more versatile, and potentially more widespread given its easiness of configuration for many more uses.
Since it would be more cheap, I would appreciate (and as a matter of fact pick) that alternative, but if there is only 1 version comming I agree, stand-alone unit is the only logical way to go.
What is the advantage to using the Luci, will only triggers when you are dreaming, compared to a timer based approach, that goes all night?
I mean the lucid dreaming timer apps are less than 5 bucks, and it will play a recorded message while you are REM dreaming too
I really hope you add a headphone jack so I can plug this into my speakers that I have in my room
Sleeping in earbuds really hurts my ears
I have an old set of pc speakers on my bud. they are small and hide behind my pillow. very unobtrusive, unlike earbuds
On my bed***
typo. wish i could edit comments on this platform
One advantage is peaceful sleep. Meaning, you don't have noice bothering you and disturbing your sleep all night long. Having something that you are supposed to react to, making noice when you are in delta, will disturb the delta sleep.
Second is precision and efficiency.
Luci will only play the voice notification when you dream, and I know that. It gives me safety. Knowing there is no waste with this approach.
Nd not only will luci only play during a dream, but also always in the beginning of the dreams.
With a timer based approach you never know if it is going to hit a dream, or when during a dream it is going to hit. No consistency or predictability. It doesn't follow your personal sleep stages.
The difference is shooting in darkness and shooting in broad daylight.
I like to know that when I use a method, that the method is efficient. So I don't waste my time with poor results.
Using EEG to control a dream alarm is more efficient than using a timer to do so.
GXP, take a look at this product. They have 2 approaches that you could use instead of the earbuds
1. Put a headphone jack in the amplifier. make the earbuds removable/detachable with another headphone jack on the actual headpiece (this idea is neat because you could actually buy sleepphones, and plug htem into your amp and use them instead of the earbuds. could also use small speakers next to your bed)
2. put soft flat speakers on either side of the headband like the sleephones have
@svein what if the volume isnt loud enough to wake you, and the frequency of the timer is often enough, maybe every 5 minutes, that there is a good chance youll hear it while dreaming? this is what ive been trying now with an Android app on my phone plugged into a set of speakers tucked behind my pillow
Are you confident that this method will work for you? Are you satisfied with your success?
Cannot wait to receive my limited edition Luci just wondering are you going to add some stretch goals?? I am sure everybody would love to see what other functionality you can add to it like the USB connectivity
Reading through the comments, I really like the idea of a headphone jack and considering 10 days has almost tripled the 40,000$ goal, I think it's financially possible.
Also, I think the USB is a fantastic feature idea, that opens up a number of product opportunities that would put y'all way ahead of the game.
Just pledged $175 for a KS green LUCI, so excited for it to get here in February!
Hi. I was wondering if this LUCI really works or not? Was there any studies/tests done prior to this campaign?
Hey GXP, I just thought, that it can be a good idea, instead of ear-buds just lengthen the headband in the area of the ears in like a half circle form, so it covers them, and to put some kind of small speakers in it, and also some kind of foam so it will be comfortable. It solves two problems that I can think of, the first is that there is nothing to fall out of the ear, and the second is that there are people that it can be painful or not comfortable for them to sleep with something inside of their ears.
(P.S. just curious if you thought about a name - ALDI (Advanced Lucid Dream Inducer) also sounds like a nice name :))
Anyway, this project is so crazy, wish you a lot of good luck !
O.O Seems you've passed 100k, congrats! :D
And now for some stretch goals ;)
HI. i pledged 150 for the luci and wanted to know if there will be updates after the kickstarter funding time is up so you guys can update us on how the manufacturing is going. Just to keep us all aware of the product's status until February when they will hopefully ship out.
Hi,I think that LUCI is very good.
But, since I am Japanese, I may be unable to react to English in a dream.
Please make possible to substitute voice.
I want to share an idea I have, about the voice message that LUCI makes during a dream.
There is a way to make it more powerful, and this works even if you don't speak English, and even if we can't change the voice message.
Make a reality check out of the voice message.
During the day, play the voice message and when you hear it; do a reality check, throughly. Ask yourself if you are dreaming, pay close attension to your environment with that question in mind, check your hands and remember how hands should look in waking life.
That way, when you hear the same voice message during dreaming, you will trigger your habit of reality checking with a critical mind from the day time. And being critical in a dream, makes you lucid.
And this will work even if you don't understand English at all, in the case if we can't change the message.
There is a company that makes headphones specifically for sleeping in, they are called sleep phones. I have a pair and enjoy them. They utilize a flat speaker which sits in a pocket on a headband that you wear at night. My suggestion is that to make this device more comfortable to use during sleep, you incorporate these flat speakers into your design. I am a side sleeper ( mostly right side ), and i won't beable to use this if the earbud isnt changed. Earbuds hurt me if i lay my head on them.
@Daniel. Do you mean the ones at www.sleepphones.com? I've been thinking about buying a pair. :)
They do look quite warm, are they?
@Frank -- Skullcandy makes a better version of sorts called the Homebrew Kit. No heat issue because you can stuff them into your pillowcase, hats, etc. Go to www.skullcandy.com to search for it or check my comment way below where i spoke about it further and provided the direct URL. I could see a smaller version being integrated in the current Luci headband, though I suspect that sound leakage could be an issue for those with sleeping partners.
I wonder if there will be a chance that the makers of Luci will add (or make available) some kind of storage case. I'd prefer something slim with a hard shell. It would be especially useful for travel and even protecting our dear Luci at home!
Yes i am talking about the ones from sleepphones.com. They aren't that warm to me, but keeping my house at 71 degrees and running a ceiling fan when i sleep might be why. However if you are interested in them but aren't sure if they will be to hot, they also make a line called run phones which use a light mesh material instead.
The sleep phones are a similar concept as the skullcandy homebrew but are quite a bit different. The skullcandy are much much larger and thicker than the sleep phones. Which of course makes sense because the skullcandy are meant to be loud and have a large frequency range. However the sleepphones are meant for comfort during sleep, which is why they are much thinner (less than an inch wide and less than 1/8" thick). But the sleep phones lack bass response and loudness in comparison to the skullcandy homebrew. One last thing, The sleep phones are better at directing the sound to the wearer, which is good if someone else shares your bed.
I am sorry for such a long post about a company with whom you are not affiliated. I just wanted to answer the question asked of me and show the difference between the other headphone idea mentioned on here.
Do all people who pledge get the e-mail news about the manufacturing progress?
I hope so as I pledged few dollars already. I would love to buy the product once it has has been manufactured (even with double the price).
@Marsha & Daniel: Thank you both for the info!
I don't think the Luci developers mind this discussion as the products we are talking about might be what they end up implementing in the finished Luci. It only helps the cause if they get info about different options. :)
If you put in a headphone jack like I hope, how will volume be controlled? Will there be a volume slider on the amp?
When people sleep, some have a higher tolerance and threshhold for noise that wakes them, and it is important to find a volume that isnt too loud to wake you, but isnt too quiet that you can hear'
So how do you plan to handle the volume adjustmant?
@Frank, I agree! GXP seems to be highly interested in hearing our ideas. I'm so glad to be brainstorming with you and other interested backers! @Daniel, I don't believe that they mind us referring to other companies solutions to problems if it ultimately will benefit Luci.
Yes, SleepPhones are essentially a smaller version of Skullcandy's version, as Daniel explained, but minus the cloth headbands that will be hot, dirty, wear out quickly, etc. When I mentioned the Homebrew Kit, I meant that Luci would need a much smaller version integrated into its current superior silicone headband. The flat headphones would need to be much thinner and no wider than Luci's headband. The only problem with this design is that Luci's headband does not currently go over a person's ears. Even if it were worn over the ears, I think most people wouldn't feel comfortable if their ears were constricted by a headband. Aside from possibly feeling tight, it also poses the potential to make us "hot heads" have hot ears. So now that I think about it, flat headphone solves one problem -- and then causes several others!
How do either if you (or anyone else!) feel about bone conduction technology being used to solve the potential problems with headphones? I'm not sure how expensive it would be to integrate this technology into Luci, but I'd surely be interested in paying a bit more if it's not outrageously more. In Update #10, a few other backers also seemed interested in bone conduction. If anything, I'd love for GXP to obtain a price quote and perhaps offer this as an optional upgrade.
I think the bone conduction option would be perfect for the LUCI. But from what i have seen, affordable bone conducting audio devices are still to bulky to be comfortable with the LUCI. The slimmer bone conducting devices used on hearing impaired people are outrageously priced right now but that is always the case with new technology. I think right now the best thing for the developers to do would be to give us a headphone jack and allow us to use our own preferred headphones, at least thats my preference.
I was thinking about the USB port everyone seems to want. I, like so many other backers, most certainly want added connectivity because it opens a world of possibilities for developing a computer program, mobile app, and updating options on Luci itself. And with these eventual additions in mind, I also think that Bluetooth and/or wifi connectivity would make more sense than USB. GXP did originally state that it was considering both USB and Bluetooth as possibilities, so it seems they are willing to go in either direction.
A wireless option, in my opinion, would not only eliminate yet another annoying wire, but it could allow Luci to automatically upload data in realtime as we sleep. USB poses these issues:
1) having to sync at another time
2) risk losing our data until we get the chance to sync
3) Luci currently doesn't have its own memory capacity, so we'd have to upload our data every day, which is annoying and time consuming
4) the only way to upload in real time with USB would make it necessary to sleep with yet another cord and computer/phone nearby (which isn't always possible)
5) Although USB is still used now, technology is moving toward wireless implementations. Our Luci, thus, would become outdated sooner.
This is only a small sampling of issues that result from having USB. If anything, I would prefer one of the following scenarios:
1) A completely wireless option that can handle Bluetooth and wifi, along with Luci's current charging port.
2) It seems, from what I can tell, that Luci is currently being charged through a non-USB port if the USB is not currently added. Why not make a single USB port that is both data and charging capable? This would eliminate the current charge port and make room for wireless additions without making the external box larger in size.
3) At the very least, include an inexpensive wifi/Bluetooth dongle that would enable this capability by plugging it into the added USB port. This isn't the best method since dongles are easily lost/broken, but it could be an inexpensive compromise to get the best of both worlds.
For those who don't want wireless connectivity, remember that it can always be turned off (as is the case with any other wireless device -- phones, computers,
printers, etc.! Or as I said, maybe it can be made an optionally integrated feature!
I'm not only considering how I'd use Luci now, but hopefully for several years to come. I'm hoping that a computer program and mobile app will eventually be developed, and that's why I have concerns with adding only a USB port. I don't want to have to worry about purchasing a brand new Luci in a couple of years when these technological additions come to fruition. I really think the wireless capability needs to be there as standard, or at the very least, as an upgrade.
I'd love to hear how other backers feel about this since most have only mentioned the USB aspect. Are you aware that the company is willing to consider either of both additions or is there a reason that you only would like USB?
- By far the most important thing this project needs is the USB port. Configuring the custom message, also the timings, repetitions, volume and other possible variables is basically a must have features imho. And this all could be controlled and setup with a PC for instance before actually using the device. Maybe we could even record our brainwaves and sleep states and analyze afterwards through a separate software, that will surely be educative and fun. Furthermore, the USB port could eliminate the separate charging port too, making the product and possible further repairs or part replacements more universal.
- An included jack on the amplifier, instead of the hardwired earbuds on the headband are more logical solution imho. That way each of us could choose from regular speakers, headphones, earbuds, boneconducting, or any other available solutions, or the better, try them all out and decide what is the most comfortable and/or what works the best.
I partially concur Zsolt.
My priority is (for further development of LUCI from what GXP has already presented):
1. A optional dream alarm that wakes me up 5-15 minutes after the dream notification "you are dreaming.."
2. Ability to customize the message
3. An output that goes "HIGH" when LUCI detects REM-state, with a LED that lights up at the same time.
The reason I put dream alarm before custom message, is because if we can't change the message it can still be used to great effect, as I have explained in a previous comment, by making it a reality check in the daytime. We could get the message in mp3 format and by playing the audio in the day time and doing a throrough reality check upon hearing it, it will trigger us deeply in dreaming also, even if we don't understand english at all.
Then being woken up a short time after becoming lucid, makes us able to remember the dream and become better at both lucid dream and remember dreams. Two skills completely necessary to lucid dream.
All the rest is not necessary to archieve lucid dreaming in of itself. I don't think being able to change the timings and repetitions will greatly enhance LUCI as a help to lucid dream. I am afraid it will become more of a distraction to have too much to choose between.
The volume could be good to be able to adjust of course, but that is an easy feature.
A feature that will enable LUCI to record our brainwaves requires a lot more work, and it will not enhance LUCI as a lucid dream assistance. But I do understand that it is very interesting to be able to do so. That is why I have bought Emotiv Insight.
Having an USB port makes LUCI a more dangerous equipment and will need more safety features, because of the potential of mains voltage. Which is quite possible to mitigage and fix, but it requires more work too.
A jack is very nice to have, yes. Less hardwiring is good.
My third priority wish for LUCI is an output that goes "HIGH" when LUCI detects the REM-state, with a LED that lights up also.
This will make everyone able to customize LUCI as they wish, in order to further help archieving lucid dreams.
That is all I think that is necessary for LUCI to greatly, GREATLY help us lucid dream. And that is the point of LUCI, I believe.
The rest is not so much about actually lucid dream, but for fun. And I respect that :-)
I just hope that what is most important to help lucid dream is the first priority when they develop LUCI.
When that is in place, by all means, make USB ports and optional wireless and smart phone connectivity and all the other bells and whistles!
I am monitoring Emotiv and the other brain to PC interface companies for years now, and while the technology is incredibly promising, its still way to bulky for me. For instance, how would use sleep with the Insight on your head? Also the input recognition lag is way too large for now if you would plan to use them for PC controls. Perhaps this has a lot to do with your non signal related brain noise, that needs to be ignored the best as possible with the algorithms. I would personally give them a few more years to advance, before investing in one and start developing software for it or researching with it.
Anyway, with LUCI we could monitor our dreams for research purposes too, and maybe get us somewhat closer to understand how and why are we dreaming. We could make changes to the sounds and other variables and see how that will effect our dreams and lucid states on it. I know this is not the initial plan for the LUCI, but it is definitely related, because it could potentially give us a lot more control and variations with our lucid experiences. What would we experience if a music would play, what would we experience if a random sound would play, or what if a long prerecorded talking session is played back over the certain REM state...
I know that this USB/setting functionality needs some extra work, but i am (and a lot of people stated the same) are ready to pay up the extra, if its not outrageously larger.
"I am afraid it will become more of a distraction to have too much to choose between."
how hard would be to introduce an "easy/advanced mode" switch or tab to the software? People who only want to have the very basics wont be distracted with the detailed settings.
@Zsolt, you are saying many interesting things.
About the changes to sounds and variables, for dream research. Using music, random sounds and prerecorded talking sessions.
All this can be archieved with my nr. 3 priority, the output which goes "HIGH" during REM-state. We could easily build an arduino thing connected to this output, that does all this, when that output goes "HIGH". That is, it goes from 0V to 3V or 5V, which is logical ON/HIGH.
This is what I mean with customizing LUCI as we wish. Such an output makes LUCI very hackable, for dream research. For those who wish.
GXP can even make their own such arduino mods, that they can sell pre-made to people wanting extra functionality, if they integrate such a super-simple output on LUCI.
Yeah, a simple/advanced mode switch could be used. Or something like that.
Emotiv Insight is made so that it is possible to lay with the back of the head resting on a surface, like a bed. EPOC wasn't I think.
But yes, you can easily detach the standard sensors and attach you own to Insight. I would just detach the standard sensors and connect LUCIs sensor to one of them. Then Insight can rest on my nightstand, while recording me the whole night. While I wear the LUCI headcap.
Hm, I could maybe record with Insight and use LUCI simultanously, in parallell.
But you can buy an EEG headcap, and connect that to Emotiv Insight. Then you get all the channels. And you can sleep with it.
Insight has a mandatory delay of 1 second, I think. This is used for analyzing the brain data, and is necessary to detect patterns that it responds to.
Btw, I do hope that GXP add a reference sensor to LUCI!
Oh, and for the people who wireless functionality, all that extra bulk that the battery and included electronic will get, and the increased costs are pretty much (and a lot more) already archived with the MUSE (similar headband formed design) and its software developer kit. Also they have 6 EEG sensors instead of 1.
The funding was over about the year ago, they should start shipping soon if everything goes ok.
I think LUCI should stick with the wired/super comfortable/low as possible cost plan to be a really appealing choice.
I think a lot of the things that have been talked about on here would be great features to have, but i don't think they are necessary for this product. This project is simply meant to aid us in lucid dreaming. Other than a different option for headphones, the developers should stay away from unnecessary changes, at least for this kickstarter. Changing the internals of this device by adding other functionalities will not only increase the price and bulk of the device, but it will also drastically lengthen the time frame for the delivery date. Engineering extra electronics into a very small device like this takes a lot of time and sometimes it ends up being a waste of time because the engineers are unable to make it small enough to be usable. Remember guys, this is a kickstarter. The developers are new to putting out products and have probably severely underestimated their time frame for putting out this product as is. I hope they haven't, but the fact is that most developers on here tend to take twice as long as they originally thought they would, even without making changes and adding stretch goals.
@Daniel. This is more or less what I have tried to say, thanks :-)
I think, though, a wake up alarm after the dream is almost as necessary as the dream notification itself.
Because dream recall is paramount to enjoying lucid dreams. And waking up right after the dream, greatly enhances dream recall.
And, we dream many times during a night, so if we remember only one partial dream, we have forgotten A LOT that we have done, lucid or not.
And having an output that goes high during REM-state doesn't take much developing. They probably already have this internally on LUCI, they just need to make an physical output and connect it to that signal on the PCB.
I'd like your thoughts on this :-)
I agree with what you have said in your last post. By waking up at the end of your dream via some type of alarm would definitely be beneficial for remembering your dreams after you wake. But i don't think such an alarm would be a good thing if used more than a few times a month. Constantly waking up multiple times every night so you can remember your dreams is not worth the health problems that might be caused by the constant interruption of the sleep cycle. The sleep cycle is incredibly important for the healing of the human body (growth hormones, repair, and such) and really shouldn't be interrupted.
the entire point of luci is to have lucid dream, not lose sleep and still remember your dreams. Part of the system is remembering the dreams or else this product would have no value.
Yes. And losing itsy bitty sleep in the beginning, is a great technique to start being good at remembering and having lucid dreams. You don't have to do this forever. You might not need LUCI at all forever either. LUCI is kind of like nice training wheels.
How is part of the system remembering dreams already? Which part?
But, as I have written earlier, to be able to configure that LUCI only begins the wake-up-after-dream-alarm after having dreamt 3-5 times would be good. Then we get a little of both worlds, peaceful sleep and help with dream recall.
And of course, being able to not use the wake up alarm at all.
But if GXP make an output that goes HIGH, I don't need this wake up alarm. I can make that myself then. Maybe that output should be the first priority!
Noticed this comment (below) and if there was a bluetooth/wireless/wireless recharge I would def pay more for this.
"I also think that Bluetooth and/or wifi connectivity would make more sense than USB. GXP did originally state that it was considering both USB and Bluetooth"
Does the headband stretch at all? I'm worried it won't fit those of us who have big heads. Being made of silicone might make it softer, but I'm not sure how elastic it would be?
Also I would love to see some pictures of the regular headband, the limited edition headband, and the kickstarter green headband.
... Or I could scroll down to the bottom of the page and answer all my questions. ><
@Lofhua: Check the FAQ ;-)
We could really get an update. It's like 10 minutes to write a brief one. Where's the massive overFounding going ?
Just pledged $175 CAD for the limited edition. Can't wait to get my hands on LUCI, hope it will work!
For the record: I'd appreciate the possibility of saving the recorded brainwaves and downloading them to my PC for further analysis (hopefully in an open format).
The last time I checked in here the tally was up to about 130 odd thousand. Congrats on achieving four and a half times your initial goal. I look forward to seeing where this goes in the next two weeks.
Waiting for updates about final product!
Sounds so cool to finally have lucid dreams. I dream sometimes (and remember it) and I hoped I had the control of it. So, hope it will work!
This seems like a better idea than the flashing lights :D cant wait to see if this works, hope it will come with the usb so even if it doesnt I can at least get a rem sleep eeg monitor out of it :D
The project is looking like it's going to easily shoot past 500% of initial goal within a day or two.
Here's hoping that's sufficient trigger for some good news regarding a USB port being integrated. *fingers crossed*
I've got a few ideas/suggestions for the final model.
1) Please make it possible to save sleep information to the device and make it possible to connect the device to your phone, like bluetooth connectivity. This adds many possibilities for future development without the need for hardware changes. For example:
- Create an application for Android/iPhone that syncs with the device.
- Actually view your brain activity and see how it changes throughout the night.
- See how many hours you are sleeping and how many hours of that are REM sleep.
2) In addition to the first point and the application, you could add the ability to set a wake up alarm using your phone, so that the alarm comes out of the earphones at the right time in the morning. My only worry about using the product is not waking up for work the next morning. :/ This however would rectify the situation.
I hope the above ideas are interesting and useful enough to be included in the final model.
For those interested in recording your dreams: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hunterleesoik/shadow-community-of-dreamers
Yeah, we finally reached 200.000$ !!
Congratulation everyone, now with that much money I hope we can expect a very refined end product and some cool new features.
Let's see what the next updates tell us. :)
I really can't wait until this product gets finished, I've always wanted to be able to have lucid dreams on the go. But because of the lack of time and dedication I couldn't do it on my own. I hope that the head band is comfortable, stays in place and doesn't prevent me from falling asleep because of the electrode or the headband itself feeling uncomfortable, earbuds falling out or the cables being in the way. I guess I can put the little box under my pillow or something like that.. Still can't wait! I hope they didn't lie about the amazing test results that they had with the prototype haha, my first backed product on kickstarter^^
I look forward to seeing a USB port on the device where we can put our own voice file to the device. :)
so are we doing a phone jack or what? please make an announcement of the outcome of the poll.
I really hope USB port will be integrated. I think it is way better to have the user be able to record the specific message that works for them (or sound). The pitch, tone, etc. could effect the nature of the dream state in my opinion, as I believe that you can't control 100% of the dream parameters. Also make sure there is a way to change ear buds...
I would like to see a port on it so you can plug in your own earphones. In fact, I hope all of the wires have jacks so you can replace them if they break - it would suck if you turn the wrong way in the night and rip them out.
I can't wait for the USB port, too. There is enough over-funding already to implement it (considering that I can't see other stretch goals in this Kickstarter project).
@lofhua - please go to Updates page, there is a big discussion about the headphones jack included in LUCI (2nd thread right now). Personally, I am against it, because it will add another 1 meter cable in your bed just for telling you a single sentence "This is a dream... take control...".
"add another 1 meter cable in your bed just for telling you a single sentence "This is a dream... take control...""
Well, thats the whole point of the product, that single sentence. Thats the whole reason why youll go to bed at night wearing a head band. Thats the reason youll wake up with ear pain from ear buds too :P
I just hope it does what it promised!!!! :)
It would be nice to have more regular updates.
A lot of us are still wondering what changes you're gonna implement on the final product since you will obviously have the money necessary to make those changes.
100% agree with manoko.
Yes, come on GXP! So much activity, so much funding, and almost no communication from you?
We are starving after knowing what is going on with the project and what your plans are now!
Be good and communicate with those that make you able to realize this project so well, pretty please? Yes? Good :-) Now.
Well, it says on the front page "A USB port for computer analysis may or may not be offered. It will depend on the funds available."
Based on the fact that we are already at over 550% of the pledge goal, I can't imagine they NOT implementing the USB port. If they don't, GPX will be seen as scammers, willfully promising things they won't deliver.
(cont.) But note that it says "for computer analysis". Let's hope that they realize that the possibilities don't end there and that firmware updates (for future or custom functionality), configurations, custom messages/languages etc. would raise the value of the product a LOT. And make for happier backers. :)
I agree, I hope they use this opportunity to make their product as good and multifunctional as it can be. That being said, can't wait to try it! I used to have more frequent lucid dreams and I hope this will boost the ratio of occurences.
There is a difference between the limited edition and standard edition
Except the color and the little writing?
@idan: Not that I have seen. But hopefully the will throw in an extra pair of earphones and a good travel case (not a flimsy pouch). What do you say, GPX? :)
GXP, your last comment on this section was on the 17th of October...
We need you guys to be more active, we're trusting you with our money, and I think we deserve you to answer our questions and give updates on the project.
I really expect that they didn't lie about the results of the prototypes. If this is true, this device would be a life changer! Hopefully they add USB support and more cool options.
It does seem odd they are not communicating - at all!
Nine days left; if it gets close to the end and I'm not seeing better communications I may withdraw my pledge. Seems to me this may be an indication of future customer service levels...
I too am extremely excited about this product, but if I can't trust the company...
I'm a relatively new backer, but in less than 20 minutes I've read all comments up to 27 October. This comment cost me about 1 minute to type on an Android tablet. Now, why can't GXP do the same? Doesn't seem that hard to leave a small comment, just to reassure your backers.
I am wondering how LUCI is powered - so far I have not seen a battery in the prototypes. Do we have to connect it to a wall charger?
"Seems to me this may be an indication of future customer service levels...
I too am extremely excited about this product, but if I can't trust the company..."
As much as I would want this journey to be perfect, I can't disagree with him.
Please, be a little more closer to your backers, it's important to us, and it also shines in the eyes of potential new customers. Be a little more involved with your community, it's necessary.
limited Edition Almost Gone
you guys need to announce whether we're getting a head phone jack or not
I know a lot of us will pull our pledges if there is no head jack. so let us know whether youre giving us headphone jacks or we will just have to pull the pledges if you dont confirm that there will be a headphone jack
Jared, the new update confirms head jack.
So guys, it will be awe-some !!! :D
This is why I love kickstarter.... Who needs a board of directors to make decisions for us? Yes to the headphone jack and I agree with Marsha below on also including a bundled headphones.
In addition to the wanted headphones. Can you please make the connector for those headphones be of the neutrik type? The are the "L" shaped ones rather than straight - they excel when it comes to durability because of the way force is relieved due to loss of a long leverage.
Make it happen! I don't want my lucid dream device to break down on me =). Keep up the great work!
The real question now is will there be USB to program and pull data off of the Luci. GXP said with "enough funding" but didn't specify an amount. With less than 9 days left I feel this should be something that is addressed because 594% funding (trending towards 834%) far exceeds their initial goals. In a situation when $40K is initially expected, 594%+ should reasonably be considered "enough funding" and USB (along with its functionality) should be announced. Also, the announcement will increase/maintain backers and therefore overall funding.
Keep up the good work GXP but also increase communication especially during the final days of this campaign.
The new update's wording doesnt actually confirm the head jack
GXP, you could quell much of the angst in your chat rooms by simply talking with us. Other ventures I support have the creators constantly answering individual questions in the comments, and treating each supporter as an individual as opposed to the, so far, general information approach. These are very valid questions being posed, and much of your pledged funding is riding on the line. Though not everyone speaks up in the chats, most are reading and agreeing.
Please provide more information about the final product. What is the jack/earbud determination? What is the USB determination - have we not provided "enough funding"? What about Bluetooth, software integrations, etc. with the funding you folks stand to gain, I would hope you are more interested in holding onto it than we have seen evidence of.
add wireless, usb, make sure its comfortable for side-sleepers and combine with these http://www.sleepphones.com/wireless (meaning as an option of comfortable soft exterior, also less probability of ear-pain from lying on an earbud for a long time)
aaand you've got a "killer" :)
p.s. seriously, these guys are right, you should speak with the community more, especially on a closing week.
Wish they would communicate more... every other consumer EEG headwear I've looked into has at least USB support and some are even cheaper then LUCI. Even if they do confirm USB/Bluetooth support how far will that go? will they continue to develop and support the product/software after they release it? They have yet to answer my question about all this and there is only 9 days to go.
At the moment I am very doubtful this will be worth the $299 they expect for them.
Just a hint for the creators, the USB does not need to be a 3.0 as in the picture but a 2.0 would be good enough as it is not a data intensive product like a HDD. This would bring cost down and a higher chance of us, backers getting a USB port so we could programme our own voices which would suit ourselves better. Thanks
OK GPX..... I've been watching this project ever since it was about 5 days old. I love the concept. I used to be really into lucid dreaming & astral projection (both naturally w/o aids) about 10-15 years ago, but have since moved my interests elsewhere. I really do WANT to back your project & try out your headset. But as of right now, I'm only pledging $5 for an e-book that I don't really need. And I'm really only pledging this amount right now just so that I can leave this comment here. We ALL feel EXACTLY like what Matthew Bufford posted (about 10 hrs before this post). If you don't communicate with us BEFORE you get our money, then I'm 100% certain that you won't communicate with us AFTER you get our money either. But if you start answering questions on this board & actually start communicating with us here, then I will more than likely upgrade my pledge amount to support you more..... It's up to you, GPX.
yeah this lack of reply, overall communication and updates that effectively just sum up the fund status is disconcerting. & I'd have no problem with zero upgrades of any sort if they weren't acknowledged as being determined by the funds available. In that case I'd say, congrats on the profits! but thats not what happened
I don't quite understand the unbearable lack of communication from GXP.
But I could understand and that would have eased my mind a lot.
Right now, I almost hope everyone pull their funding before the project ends, just to communicate to GXP how necessary it is for them to begin communicating like PEOPLE.
The human touch is not to be underestimated GXP, even online in the digital world!
And right now, you seem pretty cold to us. Not like a caring and warm being, that keeps their word and are honest, and thus act in the best interest of us.
MUCH MORE IMPORTANT than this is the ability to CHANGE the Sound-File played (too experiment and language localisation) … USB or SD-CARD-SOLUTION. Any comments on this. I am from Germany and being talked to in englisch might not work as good. Also I would like to induce other settings via audio then the regular suggestion.
BTW if popular demand overwhelms your capacities to respond please invest some money from the soon to be received pledge amount and pay for a temporary Customer Relations Person! This makes ALL the DIFFERENCE!
As long as it works and that i have no trouble using it. If it really is what they say it is and it does what its supposed to do. I'll guess i get what i pay for. But yeah i can understand that they have alot on their head right now with so many backers with their own questions. I've got many friends who would love to test this product out as soon as i have it haha but since they never experienced a lucid dream they don't quite well understand and/or believe it. Does GXP Technologies even have a website or something?
They don't have to answer individually, if the amount of individuals overwhelm them. Then they speak to more of the people at the same time. I don't care.
What I care about is that they show that they are people, show where they are, and make me able to relate to them.
They can begin to archieve this just by commenting in this place, saying something "We understand the frustration you (the backers) have from that we have been so out of touch... blablabla"
I think it is incredibly bad idea that you are offering another 500 limited edition LUCI's the whole idea and benefit of paying that bit extra was that there is ONLY 500 now that there is going to be 1000 the novelty has worn off I dont know how you can write "ONLY 500 WILL BE MADE" and then lie to all the backers of that 500 and add another 500 that is not acceptable!!!
This is a BAD joke right? Offering 500 Limited Edition Luci and now there will be 1000 of them? It looks for me, you want to make more money instead to offer something really limited!! Glad I'm not the only one with this opinion.
And about the headphone jack: Give us the integrated one PLUS a headphone jack on the amplifier. Don't forget to add a USB port with the ability to change the language, upgrade the firmware and/or save the sleep states.
I'm really thinking to cancel my pledge otherwise.
Please, JUST COMMUNICATE WITH US!!!
@ Sandro Huber
@ Raymond Self
Exactly guys... I also ordered the limited black version. Really, this project is going worse, not better.. Right now (with creators' decision to remove the integrated earbuds) the product is not even going to look like it supposed to...
@ LUCI Team - You are going to receive $200,000 more than expected - for what?? Please communicate with us!
hmmm... I might back out. Starting to think this one is a scam too. No face, no GXP Technologies company existing, short updates not telling much.
Need to see some convincing proof not to back out.
I'm also really surprised with this "1000 limited editions". I thought the point of a limited edition was to be limited to the amount you fix before you sell them. Well, this campaign is far from perfect, that's for sure.
I am part of the vast majority that would like to hear from you, we are not simply the dollars we give you, there are persons with questions behind the pledges that make your project real.
If you do not understand that you need to be close to the persons supporting you, like every other Kickstarter campaign by the way, I will remove my pledge too.
The ball is in your hands GXP, just frickin' take 5 mins and talk to us now and then !!!
I wonder if you have considered that the connection between the amplifier and the headband would be a wireless connection ? (If possible of course)
The lack of communication makes me not being able to take GPX seriously. This smells bad news. Bad customer support, Could it be that they really don't know how to make the product and that's why they are avoiding all questions? That they have no idea how to actually add the USB port, where to place the jack etc.? Have any of you who asked questions with private messages actually gotten any answers? If GPX don't start talking to us, and SOON (not waiting to the last two days or so), I'm out. I can't trust them.
"Have any of you who asked questions with private messages actually gotten any answers? If GPX don't start talking to us, and SOON (not waiting to the last two days or so), I'm out. I can't trust them."
They indeed have not responded to my questions on PM, which I sent more than a week ago.
GXP, just talk to us, omg...
For me it's essential to have available the possibility to select a different language. I think its just a basic option but very necessary.I'm going to wait untill last day and if i don't have news about that i will remove my pledge too.
I can't take that risk.
Please, keep us informed GXP.
DOUBLEING the limited edition is like painting a Monalisa, then for the high demand and need for the painting the paintor would have painted a couple more of them.....
Hi Guys! Please note that most questions are answered in the form of updates.
For the Limited Edition headband, you can rest assured that it will not be made available after Kickstarter. You will still have a unique version that won't be available for sale anywhere.
Also, some of you have submitted pledges with the condition that we offer extra features, such as multiple languages, etc. While we are trying our best to accomodate the most popular demands, we can't make any promises that there will be multiple languages, a USB port, wireless or anything else that is not in the description or updates. Please do not back the project if you aren't ready to accept the product as described.
Over 80% of the private messages we receive are already answered in our FAQ. If you have not received an answer to your question, we suggest you check out our FAQ.
Thanks for answering GXP.
You can't make promises about additionnal features, that I understand.
Though it would be really interesting to know where you're at concerning those features, since a lot of us are backers of the initial project, but would be thrilled to hear about new things about it.
I know it would make a lot of backers update their pledges to your benefit, and also bring new backers that wanted those features to be their in the final product.
Just talk to us more, I assure you that you will have a lot of new funds available when everyone see that you care about your backers. And new funds = additional features, you see the pattern here ?
Can you please show where you plan to have the headphone jack, will there be a volume adjustment know?
Will these both be on the amp? Will they be on the actual headband?
If on the actual headband, please show a design picture. I sleep on my right side, and I need to know where the actual jack will be
I think the best solution is to stick the jack and the volume knob on the amp itself
Typo on the word know
Will the size be "universal"? I have issues with caps that they can feel to small sometimes.
If its a tight rubber band that is going to squeeze the life out of my head?
Looking forward to the "not so limited"
I read in the FAQ now that it was some type of silicone that would be gentle on the head, hope that it wont squeeze to much then. :) Tnx.
About the bluetooth integration, simply put it as an option in the first model, make it possible to choose between wired or bluetooth please, even if you don't know the health effects of bluetooth.
It's just that, I don't want the backers' product to lack the functionnality of the product you'll sell later.
Guys, check the updates: vocal alert fully customizable ! :D
Nice update, thank you. Custom audio and jack-plug, good :-)
And you forgot to mention the delayed dream alarm and the logic HIGH output, of course.. Right?
The delayed alarm requires a mere small addition of simple coding and the HIGH output is also pretty basic.
AND THEY ARE IMPORTANT! Yes? :-)
There will be a USB port, but it will be limited to installing a sound file for now. The English alert will be pre-installed by default.
Output functionality to a computer is on the drawing table, but will require us to develop a software application.
"Output functionality to a computer is on the drawing table, but will require us to develop a software application."
Please make it a reality. It will allow the product to evolve with time, and make possible adding useful features like an alarm to wake up in the morning for example.
You're likely gonna have $300.000+ when the campaign ends, you have the money for all this I think.
The output functionality I talk about is NOT to the computer.
It is simply an output that goes from 0V to 3V or 5V when LUCI detects the REM state. NOTHING more. You already have an output that does that on your circuit board, right? So just pull a parallell wire from it to a physical output on LUCI, like another jack-plug, what ever.
This single implementation opens up a whole new world of possibilities for hackers and tinkerers. And it allow you to easily make extensions to LUCI later, that can be just plugged into this output.
300k is not a very large sum in the grand scheme of an integrated technology like this. If they can pull off the software, I would be truly impressed. But if they are already too busy with their logistics, planning, and finalizing designs, I can't imagine they would have time to write a bunch of code before they ship the product. But with the usb port existing, that should offer them the ability to later offer downloads to users for software and firmware updates. Outsourcing to a software engineer is a pricey endeavor. As long as I get Luci as advertised, and it works for me - ill be happy. Everything else is icing on the cake.
Assuming we reach $300,000 in funding, that means 8 times more orders that we must fullfill. Since our profit margin is expected to be only around 20% per unit with this campaign, it's not feasible to think that we can redesign the entire device with the extra amount. Also, we would need to hire a software programmer to develop the program. Just his fees would surpass the amount we have on hand. Not to mention trying to respect our 3 month timeline. In all honesty, any extra money will probably be used towards better materials and packaging.
For Bluetooth, we would love to add this feature, but due to the unit's proximity to the brain, we want to be extremely sure that there is no health risk.
"In all honesty, any extra money will probably be used towards better materials and packaging."
Alright, let's be smart about it then: listen to what Svein is telling: "simply an output that goes from 0V to 3V or 5V when LUCI detects the REM state. NOTHING more. You already have an output that does that on your circuit board, right? So just pull a parallell wire from it to a physical output on LUCI, like another jack-plug, what ever.
This single implementation opens up a whole new world of possibilities for hackers and tinkerers. And it allow you to easily make extensions to LUCI later, that can be just plugged into this output."
As for the delayed alarm, we are definitely adding this. In case REM isn't detected via brainwaves, the alert will go off anyway at the time where you are most likely to be dreaming (basically like an alarm clock). It will give the system an extra chance to induce a lucid dream.
@ GPX- thanks so much for communicating with backers, i have been reading this page, and getting very depressed about this... i understand being unable to add certain things, and with your latest reply, i am satisfied with all, but one issue. my question is, will there perhaps be a button on LUCI to allow us to test (without a PC), and make certain that the voice function is working correctly, and that the headphones don't need replacing? i think this would be very important, as there is no way of knowing it's working when we are asleep... personally, i would like to check this on a regular basis, to be sure there is a reason i'm wearing it each night. =] i do find that i'm a bit obsessive, but i've spoken with others, and i know i'm not the only one who would find this to be truly needed in this device. also, if we change the voice, and/or message, there needs to be a way to test it, without needing to hook it up to a computer (i know that many times i use it, i will not be around a PC, and i would hate to only know it's working when i have a computer nearby...). please, consider this, and that some of us may not be in the group that has the money to afford all the things the features such as USB and bluetooth would allow. i do strongly agree that they should be included, and it's nice to hear that they will be, but i already have a problem getting the money together to back for this, being on disability, and unable to work, and with my PC down, i'm using other means to keep up with online issues, so i would not have use of many of the functions that require a PC to use (though it will be something to look forward to... =] ) please let us know any thoughts or plans you have on something as super-simple as a button to test the message on the actual LUCI device. thanks so much! =)
sorry- i forgot to mention how much i agree with the thought that a volume dial/knob should be added to the box for the LUCI. this would be quite a perfect addition.
OK. With the delayed alarm I meant an alarm that wakes us up ca 10 minutes after the lucid dream notification, so that we can remember and write down our dreams.
This shouldn't be a mandatory feature, but something optional, especially in the beginning, to help us learn to remember our dreams.
Which is paramount to enjoying the lucid dreams, as most dreams during a night, lucid or not, is lost because we don't remember.
To wake up just after the dream state, is so valuable in remembering dreams. And with LUCI, we can, if there is a wake-up alarm that gets of after the lucid dream is induce with the voice command.
I have commented about this several times, there are more details further down.
wow, i really wish i could edit past posts on KS...
just wanted to ask how long LUCI waits once it detects the rem brainwaves before playing the message? right away would seem like WAY too soon, for me. at least a few minutes would be great. thanks again!
Welcome & thank-you for participating in the comments section.
Whether you develop & provide software or not is less important that providing the ability to retrieve data from the device. Plain text, .csv, easy, friendly, open. Let me plot the data & analyze it myself. The USB port mentioned below for uploading new sound files could be tasked for downloading as well.
The sensor will sample your brainwaves several times before determining that you're actually in REM sleep. This can take a few minutes.
For the volume, our prototype already has 4 volume settings. So that's covered. :)
@GXP: Thank you very much for your updates. I´ve got a good feeling doing business with you.
@GPX, michael wood: Good idea with a test function. This could be automated every time you turn on the device, saying something like "Luci active. Sensors operating" (if headband is on and Luci is actually detecting brainwaves)".
To keep it simple, this voice confirmation does not have to be customizable.
Now you guys are on the ball with these responses! Great job. Kind of restores my faith in humanity. I'm excited to try this thing out.
Your campaign changes are making me brain dead. Will this device still work for me?
Since everyone is so caught up on the headphones, I thought I would rehash one of the earlier comments someone made.
What about plugging Luci into a speaker that sits near the head of the bed? I would think that a speaker turned up would deliver an adequate volume to get the point across without anyone having to worry about ear comfort. And with the phono jack being added, this could be a viable option.
Since there will be a jack plug, you could theoretically plug your speakers on LUCI.
The problem though, is the cable that will most likely pull the speakers and make them fall during your sleep.
The solution is: Make a jack plug on the little amp as well, and we can choose to either plug our speakers on the little box, or plug our headphones on the headband.
Two jack plugs would solve this problems and I believe that this is a very cost ineffective change to make.
That's my take on this. :-)
As predicted, GXP finally talking to us, and reassuring every of their backers worries seems to have had a great impact on the funding rate.
Just look at it go, it's awesome ! :D
I can actually lucid dream, but I usually only do it once a month and usually have to endure sleep paralysis to do it (not fun at all at times), to experience a lucid dream inside a actual dream is extremely rare. I am actually going to try this out for sure, bit skeptical how a voice is going to make me lucid dream, but since lucid dreaming is the most magical experience I can think of, I just have to test it out.
Joakim, when you were in high school, do you remember those mornings where you're late to wake up, inside a dream, and your mother calls out your name to wake you up.
Before actually waking up, you probably heard her in your dream, calling you.
This is how it will work, and this is actual proof that sound does not wake you up if not loud and if not repeated a lot of times. It also proves that we pay attention to the sound around us even when we're dreaming, and this translates very well in the dream itself.
I remember high school, and I always had dreams about the poster I had on my wall beside the bed. Though I can't really remember anyone calling from real life into my dream. Tough I have been experiencing just about everything else, witch is probably why I can lucid dream. As I said, I sure as hell am going to back this up because even a 1% more chance to lucid dream is worth it. And for a first time project 150$ is actually a very generous price. I will get back and review this for sure when I get the headband.
Luci™ is on YouTube! Vsauce2 talks about it in his 33rd episode of LÜT. I just thought that was pretty cool.
any thoughts on the Luci naysayers in this forum?
Saw these guys on Vsauce2 LUT and had to back this with the 175$! I love lucid dreaming and would hope this goes on the market some how or in some form!
The second i saw this on vsauce, went to the link, signed up and pledged for the limited edition black luci. did not think twice, i have to have this!
Go LUCI team! Go
Same as a few previous comments, I had to sign up JUST for this, and I do not regret it at all.
it would be nice if they had higher pledges, simply because one person cannot donate more than $175 without multiple accounts.
Maybe something like.. $1000 for a personalised LUCI of yrou color choice, name imprinted and signed.
or multiple bands for a higher tier.
Anyway! I'm really excited about this. and i hope this gets really popular and world-wide recognition, I've always been fascinated by lucid dreams ever since i had my first one.
Enough rambling, GOODLUCK GXP!
P.S, I hope backers get their LUCI just before it goes on sale to the public
Shout out to Vsauce, came straight here! Limited Black REPRESENT!
"Maybe something like.. $1000 for a personalised LUCI of yrou color choice, name imprinted and signed.
or multiple bands for a higher tier."
I saw another person make the same comment in the updates section.
GXP, if you're reading this, please add a tier to purchase txo LUCI on the same account.
Vsauce brought me here and I made a pledge. I hope that you're able to ship out Luci to Australia. I'm really excited for this. Hope it all goes well. Also, the team that created Luci. Youse should find a way to contract and thank vsauce 2 (The YouTube channel). I've seen a lot of pledgers that has signed up and pledge cause of their latest video featured Luci
"I hope that you're able to ship out Luci to Australia."
According to the FAQ, they're able to ship worldwide. So don't worry about that, and welcome aboard !
Any chance you could estimate a maximum head circumference? I know you say it should work for everyone, but "one size fits all" hats don't always fit those of us who are especially well-endowed up top. It would be nice to know for sure that my Luci will fit my head. Thanks!
We go through multiple states of REM sleep peer night, right? So will LUCI activate every cycle, for multiple dreams each night?
"We go through multiple states of REM sleep peer night, right? So will LUCI activate every cycle, for multiple dreams each night?"
Basically, each time the sensor detects REM brain waves, it sends you the voice alert. :)
So, a lot of fun, multiple times per night !
Wow many possible times a night? I better get more sheets! Lol
Haha Tony, that is a very honest comment. :D
Crud, I wrote the wrong postal code when donating. Any chance I can redo it?
Thank vsauce2. If it wasnt for them, i would have never heard about the Luci. I pledged and i cant wait to get it!
Do you guys made any health exams or something to do with the fact that an electrode sits in a strap on your head?
Don`t get me wrong, i`m a backer and also about to get the Luci inducer and of course will use it, but it`s like i`m not sure about what can it cause...
I know there is no radio-electro waves that it`s transmitting, but still...
thanks if anyone will replay to my comment and have the same concerns as i do :)
Thank sauce :)
This looks so amazing and I've already backed the 150 CAD pledge already backed, but I would definitely be prepared to be pay more than $299 CAD maybe even a thousand, (assuming it works, that is :).) So thank you to everyone at GXP, this is gonna be awesome!
Hey Folks! Very constructive comments and suggestions. Thanks!
We are looking into the possibility of completely redesigning the device with your suggestions. Some things we never thought of now seem comnpletely necessary. We will keep you posted on how far we can take it.
Here are some responses to your suggestions:
• A power-on confirmation would be cool, but we'll probably keep it simple, like in the form of hearing your actual brainwaves for like 5 seconds when you turn it on.
• For the external speakers options, you will be able to plug amplified speakers to the stereo jack.
• I wouldn't pay attention to the naysayers. There will always be naysayers and skeptics about everything. There are some people even denying the existence of lucid dreams, even though half the population has already experienced at least one in their lifetimes!
• We wanted to offer a set of 2 luci's and a set of 4, but Kickstarter made us remove them saying that we can't offer more than one of our product. In the set of 2, one of them was the original, and the other was a Limited Editions, and they still wouldn't accept it.
• We've tested the headband on all head sizes, including children. If your head is really huge, maybe we could offer an extender, but you would have to cut the headband. The silicone material we will be using has an elasticity of 500%.
• In order to avoid false alerts, the device will only trigger when it samples the desired frequency for 60 seconds non-stop. We experience 4-5 REM stages per night, each progressively longer, so there will be plenty of opportunities.
Elad, there are no health concerns with the electrode. It receives information from your brain, it doesn't transmit it. The only thing being transmitted is sound to your earphones. So there are no health issues.
GXP: Thank you, this is exactly what we want to be seeing from you!
Also good that you keep an open mind about the design. I don't mind the scheduled being a bit delayed if it means we get a product that is a whole better.
You've won me back. <3
GXP- i really like the idea of hearing your brainwaves for a few seconds when first putting it on, however, my other concern (a big one), is that the voice is working correctly before deciding to wear it all night. i mean, if i'm unsure the voice is working, it could be silent, and i could be wearing it for year(s) with no use to be had from it. this worries me a bit. i do think having the system do a quick check when turned on is a great idea, from the brainwaves you mentioned, but also having the voice play when you turn it on. this would also allow me to decide if i want to replace the headphones, in case they are the part not working correctly. otherwise, how else am i going to know? would it be hard to have the voice play when turning on the device? if so, why? this just seems like it should be a given feature, as i consider it very important for everyone to be able to determine the working order of the LUCI with each use. please, consider this. if it means anything to you, most all of the people i have discussed this project with have had similar concerns keeping them from backing...
btw, congratulations on your aproach of $300,000 and 2,000 backers! i'm sure we will see that happen, now, and i think taking the thoughts of backers into consideration has a lot to do with your overall success. thank you for keeping in touch! =]
As an update to my previous comment; My postal code is 4018, but I wrote 04018. Will this affect the delivery even if the address is otherwise correct?
"We are looking into the possibility of completely redesigning the device with your suggestions. Some things we never thought of now seem comnpletely necessary. We will keep you posted on how far we can take it."
Just a quick post to congratulate you on being innovative enough to consider this.
You keep on delivering, this is truly amazing to be part of this journey.
Please, keep us posted on this, as many of us would really like this redesign to become a reality, and have a more refined product at the end.
GXP, I take back everything I said about your communication, you really are amazing now that you talk to us and share the progression of LUCI.
Much love from France !
"In order to avoid false alerts, the device will only trigger when it samples the desired frequency for 60 seconds non-stop. We experience 4-5 REM stages per night, each progressively longer, so there will be plenty of opportunities."
Isn't 60 seconds
Sorry I didn't mean to post my last comment that fast, here's the next part:
Isn't 60 seconds too much ? I mean, during those 60 seconds, isn't there too much room for the device to stop for a brief moment reading the brain waves and resetting the counter to 60 seconds again ?
It seems to me that we could lose a lot of dream time with this.
By the way GXP, you should take that very long comment you shared with us an hour ago, and make it as an update, since it is very important and informed us a lot about what you're currently doing with LUCI.
Manoko, the prototype#2 worked around 85% of the nights. I'm sure it'll work =p
Yeah, but it doesn't say how much time/night it worked.
That's what I'm concerned about, maybe if it was 20 or 30 seconds only, we wouldn't miss a single REM sleep stage. :)
thanks for your quick answer GXP :-)
Manoko: From my experience with Lucid dreaming, I was actually unable to get out of the lucid dream state. So far as I know, once you've achieved it, it's difficult to lose. Though my experience is limited to about three cases, each time it happened, the only way it could end was with me eventually waking up.
We'll see then, I still think 60 seconds is too much though.
GXP, make you're amazing comment an update, it is very informative and needs to be put there !
Almost up to 300k just a day after the positive communications started! Great job: see what a difference it makes?!
GXP, make and update about your last comment here.
I think it will greatly increase the rate of the donations, especially the fact that you're brainstorming to redesign the product to add new functionnalities !
I think the function for change the vocal message is very important!
With that, we will able to give a direction to our dreams.
Exemple, the voice Say: "You are in a dream, and now you want to meet steve jobs!" You can choose the subject of your dream before sleeping.
Thank's for your jobs!
I agree that the function for change the vocal message is very important!
Please try to integrate that if possible.
Also i think that a usb port to be able to analyze info is very important as well!
PLEASE INTEGRATE =]
Progress over the last couple of days had been god damn incredible.
Mac and Francisco, please take time to read updates and/or FAQ.
The customizable voice alert has already been confirmed: "Vocal alert WILL be customizable with your own recording".
Thanks to youtube.com/user/Vsauce2 if its wasn't for him i would have missed this.
If I'm a backer, it's thanks to Vsauce2 :)
I'm a backer -> thanks to Vsauce2!!
I think it would be wireless because we move around in our sleep, also it should have a recharger able battery (if it needs one)
Man, pledges pouring in now! Hopefully Luci keeps trending this way so we can see all of the improvements come to fruition.
@Edward Wilkinson Yeah its crazy so many new backers from Vsauce! shows the power of youtube! keep up the good work GXP
Do we still get the E-bok if we pledged 175$? I think it'd be a cool bonus(:
I just donated 175$ for the black edition of luci... How come it didn't ask me my address to send luci? Anyone got this same problem I'm new to this app
Erwin, in a few months when manufacturing is finished, we should recieve an email from gxp technologies to write our address so they can ship it to us.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong
We need a DIY guide. I really want this but I'm impatient xD.
I'm looking into DIY but eh, I doubt I'll figure it out.
Richard they never asked me for my e-mail so how would they know to send me an email?
@Erwin: This is managed by your kickstarter account. Click the top right corner on this page: Me > Edit settings > Account tab. On kickstarter projects, a survey is usually sent out when the product is close to shipping where color choices and addresses are gathered. In this case probably in January or February. The reason for doing this so late is to make sure all information is up to date when the product is ready for shipping. Out of the 2000+ backers so far, a number of them will have changed their addresses by then. Tje survey is done here on the kickstarter page so even if you don't have your email address anymore you can still fill in the survey as long as you have your kickstarter account.
Once again, thank you for your great contributions! And yes, special thanks to vsauce2 for the YouTube video. It's the sole reason for the funding spike we've been seeing the last 2 days.
• For the voice alert upon turning on the device, it just involves adding a couple lines of code to the microprocessor. Shouldn't be a problem.
• Manoko, the sampling doesn't "reset" per se. Every second, it calculates the average frequency for the last 60 seconds. And when it sees that the average frequency for the last 60 seconds is in the REM sweet-spot, your alert will be triggered.
• I really love the suggestion about customizing your alert to give you a direction to go. I think the sound file will be limited to a 3 minutes, so you will certainly be able to do that.
Have a great day folks!
Thanks GXP, you just relieved me of my very last worry.
Have a great day too !
Also, since you're here, myself and others are wondering if you'll be providing the E-Book to the higher pledges ?
I think it would be a great addition to our LUCI, and since it isn't a physical product, it literally costs nothing to bundle it with LUCI (every editions).
Hey! I had an idea, it probably wont work, but still; could you use this on comatised patients, or are they in too much of a deep sleep to recognize the command? because think about it if you were dreaming as a comatised patient, and you had a nightmare, wouldn't you be stuck in that?
This sounds really misinformed typing it now, but I'm not deleting it...
Ben: That's all depending on if a comatose person is registering ANY sound. Many comatose patients have been reported to do so, but not all. Not sure if the experience any dreaming at all during that period; if they do, this should work. But I don't think it's one continuous dream they are having in that case.
Speaking of nightmares, that is the main reason for me backing this project. I often have periods with nightmares several times a week, and knowing that I am actually just dreaming will hopefully let me take control, turning a nightmare into a pleasant dream. Might be worth mentioning to your friends if they have the same problem.
The REM stage borders on the AWAKE stage. I would tend to think that comatose individuals are in a much deeper state of sleep. And that's not counting the ones who are clinically brain dead and who are just being kept "alive" artificially.
thanks sooo much for including the voice alert feature in your plans! after everything that has been said, you really are adding the best of the recommendations made by the backers... that's what is so great about the kickstarter way of creating a product (that is, when the creator listens =]). my last concern was that voice being played, and i very much appreciate the inclusion of this... i was backing already, but i have let many others know about it now that i'm so satisfied with the features! it's good to know that if us crazy backers come up with anything else that really needs to be added, you will take it into consideration. =] so, is the ebook included? just wondering...
btw, couldn't we work subliminal messages into our alert? maybe i could stop smoking. =P
You mentioned in your update that we can use amplified speakers since you will be including the jack. My question is: where is the jack? I had seen posts from others speculating whether it would be on the headband, module, or both. For earbud use, obviously the headband would make more sense. But for speakers I would thing the module would be the best location in order to avoid a day's nest of wires. I can't wait to start using it!
Good question Matthew. I suppose adding another jack on the amplifier itself would eliminate some wires if you wish to use amplified speakers.
What kind of batteries does it use (or does it require a power socket?) and how long can it run before a change is necessary?
We plan on adding both a battery option (2 to 4 AA batteries) and an AC jack. But if we eliminate an option, it will be the batteries.
No batteries? I was planning on using a phone armband to keep the box on my upper arm since I turn around like 20 turns a night while sleeping. If you have an external AC/DC converter (power brick), which voltage would it output? If 5V, you might want to use a standard MicroUSB port. It would then be compatible with most mobile chargers, and for users who want portability there are a great number of power packs for mobile phones that would work.
If adding an AC jack, would this be compatible with standard Euro 230V sockets? An external power adapter (non-proprietary) and batteries seems like a better bet for global compability.
I would also prefer batteries because of the portability. If you are a very active sleeper, the AC box would be very annoying. In my oppinion the best solution would be an Accumulator, which could be charged via USB. That would kick all the other possibilities right into the face
Why not just add a circuit loop that would allow an 5v charger to charge rechargeable batteries? It would solve both sides of the issue because you could run it plugged or unplugged. I think it would be nice because i could take it off in the morning and put it on the charger until i go back to bed. No need to include the charger because most of us already have USB cell phone chargers, as well as micro USB cables.
Maybe a version 2 device would use your smartphone for processing/decision making via bluetooth. I imagine that the power requirements wouldnt be much higher than a bluetooth headset, could actually use a bluetooth headset (with little modification but repackaged) with the output of the sensor soldered directly to the mic inputs. The audio message could then come either from the phone via the loudspeaker or external/pillow speaker plugged into the phones headphone jack or put a 3.5mm headphone jack on the module for personal headphones. This would also make it easier to support a personalized message since it would be transmitted from the app on the phone either way. Also, removing the cord for the brainz making it a bit easier to sleep with for "active" sleepers. Then in the morning you just unplug the micro usb from your phone and plug it into the module on the band to charge.
Please build this version!!
Could you please add something or attach something which can tell people around you that you have started dreaming? That would be cool :P Btw, really looking forward to this!
Hoping on some stretch goals if this is possible. Always fun to see reaching higher goals and so. Please consider having them and add some basic goals.
I have a some suggestions: You could have a slot for a USB flash drive to plug in (or SD card) to record data instead of using a computer, but also include capabilities to work with a computer. You could also include the hardware for Luci to become an alarm and/or make it wireless, but if you can't include the software because of your budget, then you could make it open source so someone else could create it and make it available for download (kind of like a raspberry pi). Another suggestion is to use bone conduction for sound instead of ear buds; so you don't have to worry about wires, it would make the head phone jack unnecessary, and would probably be more comfortable then most ear buds. The last suggestion I have is something that has already been suggested by Matthew Bufford (rechargeable battery), and replacement rechargeable batteries could be sold on your website.
Maybe you could parter up with Soundband:
Instead of using earbuds, their headset uses bone conduction. I've backed their project, and am excitedly waiting for my product.
If LUCI was also bluetooth compatible, that would mean zero wires, and nothing in the ears!
A better band would be this if you want to incorporate speakers in the band: http://www.sleepphones.com
And it comes with a headphone jack too ;)
Just reposting a comment I've seen in the update section:
"One thing I'd like to see would be a way to play a long audio (I've always wanted to experiment sleep-teaching)"
GXP, with the redesign of the product, can you please take that into account ?
It would be really nice to be able to play teaching materials like podcast during our REM stages of sleep, since it is known that the brain is actively storing memories during those stages.
Since everyone is putting their opinions, I figured I'll throw mine in too.
I don't want my headband to be wireless. It will require recharging or replacing batteries and I would prefer not to deal with that. I do like the idea of wireless in the sense of the module auto transmitting to a mobile device or computer to upload data. The data may give a better idea of when the user is in certain stages of sleep during the night in order to use other techniques to assist in lucid dreaming.
How will this device be powered? Will it be plugged into the wall, will it be battery operated?
Will all of the major design changes be implemented before the end of the funding period? If you were to change the idea of the headband and use something like the sleep phones, I would not want to back still I can't sleep with a fabric headband wrapped around my ears personally. If that is what everyone wants, that is fine, but I wouldn't be a customer.
Keep up the good work, GXP, and keep the updates coming.
Wow kickstarter, no option to edit comments? Please someone tell me that I am missing something here.
Regarding my last post, I just saw your response regarding how the device will be powered, so disregard that. I agree that if one option goes that it should be the batteries, although both options would be nice so you could take it on a plane or something with you.
@GXP- man, here i thought i was done with thinking of other things i would care about having included...=P
Manoko's comment is very much like what i am wanting to see implemented. for me, i would also like the ability to have a recording begin (or a live show) when the LUCI detects the REM state. i also think that besides for learning, you could use it for music... i have actually written over 75 tracks myself, and i would very much like to be able to play them, or the music of others, when i enter dream state. also, as i mentioned briefly before, it could be great for subliminal messages, for things like quitting smoking, or working on issues one might have, such as anxiety problems, or certain fears. with the inclusion of a simple feature allowing for a message that doesn't stop, or repeat (unless you want it to), you could possibly open up a whole new use for your device, gaining support from a total new group of intereted backers. even if you include this now, and there isn't a ton of time left in the kickstarter, when it is produced, you won't have to change anything, and it will continue to appeal to a larger percentage of people...
thanks again GXP for taking our thoughts on the functions of LUCI into account, it is going to make for one hell of a device for us all to look forward to. =]
* "intereted" = interested
I have a question about the silicon band: will it stick to/pull hair? If it does you could consider placing vertically segmented strips of microfiber or something like that
oh, btw GXP, i don't agree that you should add stretch goals- not only is it a lttle late for that at close to $300,000 over the goal, but i think you are doing just great the way you are going about things in regards to our comments. i like it much better that you take everything as a possibility (if it makes sense), and figure out what you can do for us, and what you can't. you are doing a fantastic job right now, no need to mess with that. =] here's hoping for $500,000+ / 3800+ backers, before the next 6 days are up! ;)
(i sure wish i could edit my posts...)
i also would hate to see the option for batteries taken away, as in my room, all outlets are in use, and even if they weren't, they are all so far away from my head, it would be quite an ordeal. also, if i want to travel with them, as mentioned by Mike D., or if i became homeless, and slept in a box, or under a bridge, i wouldn't be able to find an outlet for the plug... also, if the world ends, i can use batteries i salvage from the wastelands. =P
Since the discussion seems to be on power options, apologies if it's already been raised as an option but I currently use the zeo (now off the market) - it's a bluetooth sleep tracker, sits on the charger during the day, although it doesn't take long to charge fully, and then operates off the stored power overnight. That would make them feasible for travel to a degree as well, depending on how long the stored charge worked for.
The sleep tracking (which I'd love to be able to get from LUCI too) has the frequency sent to the phone via bluetooth at intervals during the night, so I can see how well I slept and track sleep quality (subdivided into rem, light and deep sleep, plus awake).
I'll second the suggestion of sleepphones style speakers as an option - I use them and they're very comfortable for a side sleeper like me. Of course they come with a jack, but since the actual speaker parts are removable to wash the band, if there was only appropriately placed slots to slip the corners of the pads and the rear piece into, it would expand the usabiliity, I think.
PS Thanks again for such a great project. SO looking forward to this.
PS since I just saw your update that you're not planning on wireless, can it record sleep patterns for download later?
I wonder if they've thought of something like this, http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/daa1/
It probably wont happen since your so far down the road, but it might be a cool alternative to ear phones.
Ben, unless I'm mistaking, you can buy both the product (LUCI and the sleepphones and use them at the same time, since there will be a jack plug on the headband of LUCI.
Manoko: I probably will do that depending on the "comfortableness" of the ear phones, since I've tried sleeping with them with much discomfort.
Also, you want to keep in mind that the ear phones GXP will provide will, for sure, be comfortable enough to wear during sleep. It's their main purpose, to be worn at night, so I think they'll provide good ear phones for this matter. :)
So how many people did you test GXP?
Just backed and super excited about the product. Considering we will being wearing ear plugs that reduce sound all night, it would be nice it had an alarm feature to wake us up, considering we won't be able to hear any other alarm. You could even get as fancy as having the alarm read the optimal time to wake someone up in accordance to the sleep cycle.
I as well am curious about the number of people that tested the prototypes.
I think it would be a nice addition to the FAQ, it's a perfect counter-argument to the naysayers.
It would also be nice to hear some feedback from testers, what the activation felt like, so on.
I agree, it would be really nice, but I think they are most likely under a NDA...
I love your project... and I have a niggle of doubt about it: IS IT A SCAM ?
Your "full bio" is rather short, for a project collecting this amount of funding. It says that GXP was founded 15 years ago in Montreal, but a quick search on google does not provide any trace of It. Is it possible for a company "involved in web hosting, online retailing, precious metals recycling, advertising, software development and product development" for that long not to have a web site? Can you please give us some reassuring references ?
I am still unsure about what I pledge for, even after checking the FAQ.
- Will I receive the eBook?
- Where will the stereo jack will be ?
- Will there be batteries ?
- Will there be some external storage (SD card / usb stick) for configuration, custom sounds and recording ?
@Ian. Stop putting doubt into our minds :)
Well, I think that it is for GXP to stop putting doubt into our minds! I can deal with the naysayers regarding the functional part of the device: I take the risk.
BUT I would like to know a bit more about who will deliver and what he (they?) will deliver...
Like Ben I'd like to see some feedback from the testers, especially the ones who had never had a lucid dream before, to see exactly what their experience was like.
Knowing it works a large percentage of the time is already pretty exciting, but I think potential backers would be more excited if someone actually described their experience while using Luci.
Yep, some first-time testimonials would be nice. Also the number of tested people so far and a percentage of lucid dreaming occurrences for the persons with the LEAST and MOST amount of lucid dreams you tested so far. This should at least give us some very basic indication on how high (or low) to set our expectations. Some people might be disappointed if it only happens in one of three nights, while I (and I think I'm speaking for the majority here) would be thrilled to have lucid dreams as often as every third night. I know you have some test results on the first page, but it doesn't say if this was for a single person (though it looks like that is the case) or an average of, say, 20 people. Charts would be nice. Charts are good. And as a backer of 7 Kickstarter projects so far, let me say that graphics (charts) in the official updates are ALWAYS a good thing.
I agree with Frank. Seeing some statistics would be nice
Something I'd love to see is the ability to download what happened that night.. like how many times I woke up etc. Can't wait for this to come out!
So glad I was able to get this at the KS price! For a few years in my early 20's I was a natural lucid dream and looooved it! I've since fell out of this ability and really hope this will bring the lucid worlds back to my life!
Ian: I agree. I too tried to find info about them on google, but this kickstarter page was the only thing I could find. I've made the pledge, so I guess I'm just that desperate, but I'm debating whether or not to cancel my donation if some more reliable info hasn't been released by the end of the kickstarter.
GXP, next time you read the comments, please tell us more about yourselves and provide links to reassure everyone thinking this could be some sort of a scam.
I do think you're legit, simply because I trust Kickstarter and it must not be that easy to scam on this website, you must, I think, give a lot of informations about yourself before getting your project approved. But that's just speculation, honestly I don't really know.
Also, please tell us more about those tests you did, give us numbers, testimonies, charts, everything you can.
And finally, don't forget to keep us updated about your project of redesigning the product. Please do it fast, because my guess is that a lot of people are waiting for those changes to be made before pledging. It's for your own interest as well.
From the FAQ of Kickstarter.
I'm starting to be doubtful about GXP, we can't find them on google, they have connected via facebook, it's their first project. Well, they meet none of the standards Kickstarter tell us to pay attention to to spot scammers.
GXP, please tell us more about yourselves, and post some links showing that you are indeed "for real".
Hmm well I'm starting to fear this is a scam. Hopefully it's not, that would be a shame. If that is the case though and your credit card is billed to remove the charge may(or may not) be as simple as claiming the product is "not as described". Although you may want to consider taking a preemptive strike and un back the project before time runs out. Good luck everyone!
You should not rely on Kickstarter regarding any sort of project creator check. That is rather clear in their general conditions, and the following text is displayed in a corner when you are about to finalize your pledge:
“Kickstarter does not guarantee projects or investigate a creator's ability to complete their project. It is the responsibility of the project creator to complete their project as promised, and the claims of this project are theirs alone.”
Scams seem to be a rather current issue on Kickstarter, and backers are left on their own when it happens...
In the present case, your link was very useful but your post is a bit misleading because of a couple of typos. I think that what you mean is that they meet all the standards for being scammers:
- NOT connected on Facebook
- NO first-person video
- NO reference whatsoever
Well, let's not take hasty decisions. Let GXP reply first.
Yes, let's see if they can be a little less shady. It's getting late here, I'll try to lucid dream and see tomorrow morning when I wake up if GXP took time to prove everyone who doubted them wrong.
Ok GXP, we're all pretty skeptical, I'm out of this project unless you provide some evidence.
As am I. I don't want to back anything that won't back itself.
Please be quick to provide evidence GXP.
It is scam. Similar to REMEE, they are selling people on the idea of lucid dreaming. Not a product that has been researched and tested.
The creators of REMEE also led everyone to believe that they would somehow have unprecedented amounts of lucid dreams with their product, where Stephen LaBerge found a 4-10% increase when combined with REM detection! And now GXP wants you to believe that you will have lucid dreams 85% of the time with their invented test results.
I have been researching the effects of audio tracks on REM sleep for years and have recorded hundreds of sleep sessions, but haven't been able to beat Stephen's findings by much. And I have real EEG devices and other sensors that can detect rapid eye movements.
Their EEG is a joke. Every electroencephalograph that I have come across has a reference electrode and requires skin contact for any meaningful reading. Even with voltmeters, you don’t just wave a wand around a board to magically see what is going on with the current. You need two points of contact. The amp in the picture at the time of writing this is the TDA7293: “intended for use as audio class AB amplifier in Hi-Fi field applications, such as home stereo and self powered loudspeakers” (run a Google image search on it). They are selling you a timer that plays the recording after a random interval. I expect the image to be removed, just like they removed the image of the light switches and light bulbs in the cardboard “circuit board” after I ripped them about it on external site.
A random sound played during the stillness of the night will wake you up. Pro tip: you need to play background music throughout the night if you want external sounds to bleed into the dream world. Another major variable that GXP hadn’t discovered. What change in brainwave activity are they looking for exactly? And why at the back of the head!?
I can tell you now that the LUCI will increase your lucid dreaming rate by less than 1%, at best – when it doesn’t wake you up, just like the REMEE. That is thrice a year if you wear it each day. Playing an audio track randomly throughout the night is cool and all and I was probably the first one to write an app for it back in the 90s, but in this day and age you can just schedule an alarm on any phone. Not to mention the countless free apps that will do it with all sorts of bells and whistles.
With REMEE, at least a real company and some real people ruined their reputation: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/bitbangerlabs/remee-the-rem-enhancing-lucid-dreaming-mask/comments. But GXP has learnt from them and made up a three letter company that isn't even registered in Montreal (I checked: http://www.registreentreprises.gouv.qc.ca/en/demarrer/immatriculer/formalites_immat.aspx). They have no website and the person behind it doesn't have a trace of an online presence. His name may just as well be made up in preparation for the outcry when the investors, you, wake up: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Wayne/Kendall.
I am not here to sell you anything. My work is available for free and most of it is open source. But I am personally offended when "the public’s good faith in the development of real, evidence and science based lucid dream induction aids is hurt” by profiteering gluttons.
To end on a positive note: who else is excited about the branded USB flash drive?!1 :P
Thanks a lot for the comment Michael.
Alright GXP, give us names of members of the LUCI team, explain to us why Wayne Kendall doesn't seem to exist, as well as GXP Technologies.
Basically, reply to everything Michael said.
Who's with me to contact the staff of Kickstarter if they don't ? If this is indeed a scam, we must act quickly.
Another thing really weird, on the home page of LUCI, scroll down to the "Risk and Challenges" paragraph, you'll read: "The appropriation of funds shall remain at our discretion. Use of funds may include (but not limited to) product development, travel, debt repayment, facilities and utilities. If the project does not reach completion, any unused portion will be refunded to those who have rewards still pending and in proportion to the backed amount. We shall not be held legally or financially responsible under any circumstances."
"We shall not be held legally or financially responsible under any circumstances."
Ok guys, if they do not provide strong evidence in 24 hours, I strongly recommend everyone to back away from this project, a lot of things are really weird.
I've been wondering about that one solo sensor & its position as well. I know on my Zeo headband, there are THREE sensors in the FRONT of the headhead. But those three sensors pick up different stages of sleep -not just the REM stage. Regardless, the Zeo sensor pads need DIRECT SKIN CONTACT on the forehead to pick up the signal. So I'm wondering how this sensor on the Luci actually picks up a signal through all the layers of hair without some sort of conductive gel??
....And are REM sleep brainwave patterns detectable on both the front AND back of the head (where Luci's sensor is)??
Whoa there everyone...
GXP Technologies is a business name we came up with especially for the development of the LUCI. When the product goes to market, we plan to market it under that business entity. You won't find any website simply because we haven't created one yet! We thought this would seem pretty obvious.
Our registered business name is Caluka Group (as seen in our project's URL). You can find it in Quebec's business registry showing Wayne Kendall as the owner, with the full address, etc.
The team consists of me (Wayne). I do the electronics. And my wife Martine takes care of product design and 3D visualization. Due to your suggestions, we are currently looking for a talented circuit designer who will be able to implement your great suggestions.
The text at the bottom of the page is a standard disclaimer that our legal advisor recommended that we add. We pretty much copy & pasted it from a legal templates website.
Just so you are aware, when you start a project on Kickstarter, they verify your identity, address, phone number, bank account, citizenship, business entity, tax numbers, etc, etc, etc. And before you launch your project, they make sure that nothing goes against any of their rules.
MICHAEL PAUL CODER, our product has absolutely nothing to do with Remee, nor do we want to be compared with such a gadget. Your seemingly profound knowledge in the lucid dreaming field makes us question your true identity and your goal in writing your negative comments.
Yes, we used a TDA7293 mono amp in our prototype. Hence the note below the image of the TDA7293. It works extremely well to amplify the signal coming from the electrode. In actuality, there are 2 electrodes. One of them, located in the front of the head provides the neutral reference signal.
If you are skeptical about our product and design, that's fine. Every Kickstarter campaign has its share of naysayers, but you are obviously not aware about the complete functionality of our system. Therefore, we simply ask that you respect our backers in their choice to try out LUCI for themselves and let them make their own conclusions.
There you have it folks...relax...
Michael, the back of the head was chosen because for our tests, this is the area that provided the best results with the least amount of noise. We sample every square inch of the head, and the back of the head just behind the ear was the best spot for us.
What we are checking for exactly in the brainwaves is a specific frequency range.
For those of you who really wish to know, I went to school in electrical engineering in Quebec. After that, I followed a sound engineering program in Arizona. Then, I went on to web programming. From there, I learned to program in other languages, such as C, PHP, Java, VB and more. I launched several businesses during the past 15 years, including a computer consulting business (InfoClik) and a web hosting business (Anixa).
And here we are today, with an idea that came to me in a dream, quite literally. :)
We don't really need bluetooth or saved data for analasys in the first public version.
the power supply should be AA batteries or an internal battery pack, charged via USB
If LUCI is successful, you can make version 2.0+ with all the added stuff that might sell.
Can we have info on how many people the protoypes were tested on?
did they honestly have lucid dreams over 80% of the time?
Also, what about daily videos uploaded to an official LUCI youtube channel. where you personally show us your progress?
I thought we had already answered this, but maybe it was to a private question. We had 6 testers, which consisted of family and friends. Nobody, except myself, had experienced lucid dreams before testing the prototypes. Yes, the average success rate was 80%.
During the pre-production stage, we were planning on continuing to add updates on Kickstarter. We will certainly consider your suggestion of daily progress videos.
When testing did you count only one of the six people having a lucid dream as a success or is it the average of all six people's LDs added up and averaged out?
The 80% is the average of all people. The charts we put up were for the initial results (ie. the first tester).
Very early morning here in France, woke up naturally just to check if GXP replied.
Very glad that you guys took the time to wipe out our fears.
I'll read everything when I wake up, please understand our position, knowing nothing about you and people coming to the comment section affirming you could be trying to scam us. It put doubts in our minds.
Never wanted to do this campaign harm though, I guess it's quite obvious how passionate I am about it.
All in all, thank you GXP. :)
great to hear! Please make sure it works 80% and test it on as many people as possible, and post the results in detail!
stop bringing them down already. They're making the effort to respond to us. Posting this is a scam or rallying people to withdraw their pledge does not help, and if it got to the point where it's not funded, we will 100% get nothing at all.
Great to hear such swift and nice response of you GXP! Got me worried there for a moment...
Found on the Project Creator's KickStarter bio page:
"Based in Montreal, Quebec, GXP was founded in 1998 by Wayne Kendall as an IT consulting business. Since then, the company has become involved in web hosting, online retailing, precious metals recycling, advertising, software development and product development."
I googled "GXP Technologies 1998 Wayne Kendall" and found nothing.
6 hours ago, the project creator posted this:
"GXP Technologies is a business name we came up with especially for the development of the LUCI. When the product goes to market, we plan to market it under that business entity. You won't find any website simply because we haven't created one yet! We thought this would seem pretty obvious."
However, it is stated in the KickStarter's full bio: "Based in Montreal, Quebec, GXP was founded in 1998 by Wayne Kendall as an IT consulting business."
I would greatly appreciate a response to this confusing situation, thanks!
This is indeed very strange!!
I wouldn't call it strange at all if the original company was founded at that date and the GXP is simply an extension or renaming of the company. If it hadn't been renamed yet in the big books, it will possibly lead to no information about it.
But it would have been wise in that case to write down the original name the company had before to avoid confusion~ Anyway, waiting to see what the answer will be.
I think GXP gave enough evidence backing them up, but if you need additionnal information, I can understand.
To get back on the LUCI hype-train, the fact that you're hiring someone to re-do the product is amazing news, please give us updates about that, since it is the first step towards more awesome features !
And my god, 80% success rate in complete beginners sounds unreal (not questioning your claims though, rest assured ;-).
It's pretty obvious now that, with this as a starting ground, we can build our way up to have a lot more than this, using the classic methods now to induce lucid dreams and improve dream recall and vividness.
I'm pretty amazed by your product already, I just want everyone to understand, as well as probable future backers, that it is nothing short of incredible to have that much success rate on prototypes.
Keep up the amazing work Wayne, Martine, and everyone else included in the team !
Manoko is right, and if you really want to you could phone REQ and request one of their services, or call em up and confirm their details. If you're still suspicious.
Woops, Caluka group.
Infoclik is in brazillian, and ANIXA.com is in spanish..
there's and infoclik.biz, and i really hope that one isn't you guys. could we have links to these?
I don't mean to be doubtful..
However, I did find this
Registrars.Domain Name: CALUKA.COM
Registrar URL: http://www.gofrancedomains.com
Updated Date: 2013-04-20 06:19:42
Creation Date: 2009-04-19 13:00:33
Registrar Expiration Date: 2014-04-19 13:00:33
Registrar: Go France Domains, LLC
Registrant Name: Wayne Kendall
Registrant Organization: Caluka Group
Registrant Street: 170 Lottinville Street
Registrant City: Trois-Rivieres
Registrant State/Province: Quebec
Registrant Postal Code: G8T 4K7
Registrant Country: Canada
Admin Name: Wayne Kendall
Admin Organization: Caluka Group
Admin Street: 170 Lottinville Street
Admin City: Trois-Rivieres
Admin State/Province: Quebec
Admin Postal Code: G8T 4K7
Admin Country: Canada
Admin Phone: +1.8883330963
Admin Email: email@example.com
Tech Name: Wayne Kendall
Tech Organization: Caluka Group
Tech Street: 170 Lottinville Street
Tech City: Trois-Rivieres
Tech State/Province: Quebec
Tech Postal Code: G8T 4K7
Tech Country: Canada
Tech Phone: +1.8883330963
Tech Email: firstname.lastname@example.org
Name Server: NS.INMOTIONHOSTING.COM
Name Server: NS2.INMOTIONHOSTING.COM
Caluka group also owns http://goldpros.ca/index.php, a gold buying website/service.
this is more proof for them, that it's a real company that has been around since 2008 at least.
I just can't find anything on anixa / infoclik
Is my pledge money amount tax deductible?
New Backer to the Project! Found about it yesterday and funded it almost immediately, an amazing idea!
I have one small question/suggestion for you guys, as part of what could be customizable via usb port for it:
Since the product comes with earbuds, which I love, it might make it a bit hard to hear one's alarm in the morning. Would it be possible to program an alarm to wake you up at a certain time on certain days?
This would certainly solve that problem, and could also be a more effective way to wake up than an alarm clock. If implemented, it would also give the product yet another dimension.
Amazing product guys, keep up the good work! Can't wait till I receive mine!
Sorry, the bio is indeed confusing. We just used GXP Technologies for simplicity. But we will modify it to mention that it's a "division" of Caluka Group. But then again, some of you will be thinking that we're trying to pass ourselves off as some international company.
We never said that Infoclik and Anixa were still active businesses. Infoclik.ca was registered in 2008 and has since closed. Anixa.ca was registered in 2005 (I think) and was a short lived web hosting venture.
If you don't feel comfortable backing us up at this time, you can simply purchase LUCI when it gets released through retailers.
That said, let's get back to the product. Like we mentioned, we are actively looking for a very talented circuit designer that will be able to redesign the PCB. I will surely be able to program the extra needed code myself. An in all honesty, the code holds a lot of algorithms that I don't want the world world to have access to. So whatever I can program, I will. During this time, we will continue sourcing materials for the product and packaging. Once the PCB's done, we have to design the housing for it.
The wake up alarm is regularly asked by backers to be implemented on the final product.
GXP is currently hiring somebody to redesign part of the product, to make it able to include new features.
I am almost 100% positive that the wake up will be implemented, it just doesn't seem to be that hard to include. But that is just speculation of course. :)
I hope they will though.
Thanks for the clarifications GXP, now nobody can doubt your intentions and your authenticity.
Thanks for the update and the additionnal infos about the redesign of the PCB. I know this is far too soon, but can you at least tell us some of the new features you'd like to add to the product by redesigning it ? It would be cool to know, and I'm sure it would shift the topic of the conversation back to LUCI, as it is, since some time now, pretty much always about doubting you.
You gave far enough justifications and provided a lot of evidence to back you up, so this conversation , to me, should be forever closed.
"In actuality, there are 2 electrodes. One of them, located in the front of the head provides the neutral reference signal."
I don't understand why the second electrode doesn't appear in both the first sketch, as well as the photos you took of the LUCI device (the one where Marty wears it, as well as the one where it is sitting on the table).
Is it there, but we can't see it that easily given the angles ?
@GXP: I came up with a question. The thought occurred to me that the silicone head band might not be breathable and cause sweating which would be very uncomfortable to some people. Are you planning on lining the forehead area with perhaps some sort of wicking fabric (underarm or type)?
I had the same idea about adding fabric but with the concern that the silicon would pull hair. But for breathability the silicon, if I remember correctly, will be perforated
A thin layer of spandex would stop hair tugging but might take away from breathability
Oh I also have another question: GXP, could you guys offer like 50 limited edition red LUCIs, never to be offered again? They could represent Canada! That would be cool thanks :)
For 175 CAD!
An app on your mobile device to connect to your LUCI would seem to be very helpful. The app could contain a sleep cycle graph, wake-up alarm settings, maybe a dream log, and configuration for the LUCI for settings such as volume, sensitivity, etc.
@William Bixler, also some tips if lucid dreams aren't occurring.
I think those things (like the app) are best developed after the initial product has been shipped to Kickstarter backers.
They are in the middle of redesigning the PCB, they have many other more important thing to do right now, I say this because the app for example can be designed and developed later in the process.
We should give them suggestions about the device itself and what it could do. Everything other than that is far too soon to discuss according to me.
They need to implement a wake up alarm for example if possible, among other things. This is our priority because it can't be implemented later, when LUCI is being produced.
Thanks for the suggestions. As mentioned in an earlier post, we intend to add an extra timer function for inducing a lucid dream. I suppose that we can try to implement a wake up alarm using the same technique.
The second electrode is in the front and the very thin wire is hidden under the folded edge of the headband and comes down along the same wire as the main electrode. Can't see it in the photos.
As for the sleep cycle analysis, a USB port will allow all that functionality. The hard part would be the development of the software. But as mentioned by someone in an earlier post, raw text data could probably be exported. There exists some open source EEG applications that may be able to import this data. We'll look into it and keep you updated.
Alright, good news keep on coming with this campaign.
Thanks GXP. :)
Would it be possible to have a video update before the end of the campaign ?
I ask because I still see a lot of naysayers on lucid dreaming forum for example.
This would be a very straightforward link to give them, proving that you are indeed not a scam as everyone here now knows.
I agree manoko.
I think why he is bringing up the idea for the app now is because the LUCI would have to be compatible with the app before it, or the app even come out.
Even if the app was made after the production/release of LUCI we won't be able to add anything to our LUCI(app compatibility)
Depending on how they integrate the USB, it could give us the ability to flash the ROM with a new firmware in the future. Functionality like that on the initial release would allow new tech they offer to be backwards compatible via firmware updates and extended versions.
True! So instead of making the production model app compatible they just have to make it updatable. I like it! :)
Yes, everything can come later if this is the case.
Please GXP, make it possible, make it possible for us to change things, like the firmware for example.
Then you'll have a product that can evolve with firmware updates for example, to add new features. :)
I have one question.
Is it going to have batteries? Or is it going to be charged with a charger or pluged into an outlet?
But if we want it to eventually connect to an app in the future GXP would have to add a Bluetooth feature because you wouldn't be able to add this through a firmware update
@Andrew Orlando, I agree. Bluetooth capability would be very important if there were to be an app that connects directly to the LUCI.
As one of the researchers at the forefront of this field I feel morally obliged to point out that it is a scam.
Use your internet street smarts here people. KickStarter does not verify any claims – it is up to the investors. The only external link you have from Wayne points to the Quebec business registry, which I posted first. And they are offline for the duration of the weekend, so we can’t verify that Wayne has any link to it. We don’t even have a picture of him! No LinkedIn account of anyone at GXP or even a Facebook account. The only references we have are of flaky failed enterprises. And caluka.com - please don’t make us dig into that.
Wayne is leading people to believe that they will have lucid dreams 80% of the time! I have recorded hundreds of sleep sessions for the sole purpose of detecting REM sleep and playing audio tracks. And I have been uploading some of the raw logs to an open online sleep research database that I created over two years ago. Everything I make is available for free if not open source. I don’t sell anything – I am in it for the search of lucidity. And for science. What you are looking for is already out there in much higher quality and available for dirt cheap.
But 80% just doesn’t make any sense. Stephen LaBerge managed to get it to around 10% with real REM detection in a sleep lab, and after all these years I haven’t been able to beat him by much and he is still tweaking on the NovaDreamer 2 to get a few more percent out.
There was no mention of a second electrode at the front of the head until I brought it up. Look at the pictures and diagrams and write-ups. They are making this up as they go and all they are capable of is triggering the voice recording from a timer! And if there really were an electrode at the front they would be looking for eye movements, as these are much easier to detect (the current from the eye muscles is much stronger than brainwaves - on a whole other scale). And you wouldn't have a “neutral reference signal” if one of the electrodes is making skin contact on the forehead and the other is tangled in your hair. If you don't understand the neuroscience behind this, please trust me on this: I have worked on multiple EEG devices and have built my own according to the specifications of the OpenEEG project.
Even if the Luci were able to detect the dream state, recordings played during the still of the night will wake you up!
How will you ever have a lucid dream if you can’t even tell that this is not real!? :D
Why are you backing the project then, michael?
I want to hear GXP counter his arguments again. The answer will be very informative, not in the sense that it will prove the authenticity of GXP (we already have proof for that), but it's again a proof of concept on how LUCI can be as great as the 80% success rate seem to indicate.
The replies to naysayers are the best, because you don't only need to convince them that you're right, you have to prove that they are wrong as well.
I had a question to the electrodes itself. Since it is shown that the back electrode is rather pressed against the hair, how is it making any contact with the spots that are usually required to recognize the brainwaves or brain stimulation in general.
What were the ages of the test subjects and how many test subjects had been tested? 80 % success sounds rather like the test subject possibly had a natural talent for lucid dreaming in general, which is why I bring my question up.
Just my curiosity coming out of me : >
Zola, I can atleast reply to your second paragraph:
The data are from 6 subjects, and neither of them had ever experienced a lucid dream in their life. You can find the sources of my affirmations both in the comment section and in the FAQ of the LUCI homepage (scroll down to the bottom).
So concerning this, assuming this 80% success rate is true, it is absolutely amazing. The test subjects were absolute beginners, they never had a single lucid dream in their whole life. Just imagine how much higher we can push that success rate on persons that are working and learning on how to get lucid dreams, and already had some. Ultimately, it wouldn't shock me if somebody in the future said that he managed to have a lucid dream almost every night with LUCI and some training.
If all of this is true, the 80% success rate and the fact that the testers never had a lucid dream, it is pretty amazing.
Thanks for clarifying parts of my questions! :)
You're very welcome, it's always a pleasure to talk about this wonderful project. :)
I hope GXP will take the time to reply to the other part of your questions as well.
GXP, can you please reply to the long message of Michael ?
Also, please make a video of you and/or your wife showing one of the prototypes, it would make every worry of you not being who you say you are go away forever, and this for everyone I think.
It's just the most efficient way to make us all believe 100% that you are for real. A simple video, just to say hi and show us the headband for example, or share with us some new infos or some of your work !
I second Manoko. :)
No, we will not be getting into that issue again. Michael's knowledge in the lucid dreaming industry, including Laberge's research, and his knowledge about how EEG's work, etc, makes me feel like he has a competing business or product.
BTW, detecting eye movement with an EOG monitor was the very first thing we tried. The results were extremely inconsistent. And the reference electrode didn't need to be mentioned since it doesn't serve any purpose as for the input. We will still call LUCI a single-electrode device since it reads from only one electrode. Michael, we appreciate your knowledge in all this, but we've been developing this system for quite some time. You are grossly underestimating the amount of work and testing that has been done during that time. And quite frankly, it's a little insulting.
With 4 days left in the campaign, we don't intend to create any more videos.
And sorry, but I do not have any Facebook account or any other social media account for personal and family reasons that I will not be getting into on this public forum.
I also forgot to mention another project in the works, called iWait (www.iwait.ca). It's a virtual waiting room that allows an ER patient to wait at home instead of the hospital where wait times in Canada are around 12 hours. You can see the copyright on the page as well as our WHOIS info pointing to me.
Well well well, it seems that Michael Paul Coder is developing his own competing device which (TADA!) uses an audio alert as its trigger.
"he’s busy writing an algorithm that will detect REM sleep and play an audio track while he’s in a dream state to trigger a lucid dream."
Aaand a video from you and your wife, showing the prototypes?
preferably before the end of the funding period.
Just to seal all doubt~
Really excited for this though, I want a luci now, even the most basic one. as long as it played my personalised message during my REM stage.
Dang this is getting heated
I don't know who to trust, both of them are discrediting each other. I hope this product isn't a gimmick.
If you add up all the money they've made based on the numbers of backers per donation amount the initial 500 limited black "LUCI's" are not accounted for on the total money donated.. witch I find rather odd..
Or is it that there was no initial 500? I assumed there was because "we've decided to offer another 500 black limited edition headbands."
@Jarrod - On Kickstarter, when you add a new tier that is at the same price point as the original, the new one appears ABOVE the original one. I believe your "not accounted for on the total money donated" is based on double counting the (already "All Gone") $175 tier twice.
If you've correctly added up the tiers * backers of each tier, it current adds up to $384,857
, which is lower than the current tally (of $386,935).
"And sorry, but I do not have any Facebook account..".
@GXP, So "www.facebook.com/wayne.kendall.5/about"; is not you? Both name and city match (Trois-Rivières, Quebec) as well as education (Computer Science)..
I second the request for the 30 seconds youtube video of you saying "hi this is me and this is the Luci prototype..".
..and maybe even some pictures would be nice :)
You guys make me doubt about this project
To break all doubts, please make a short video of your self explaining the product or somthing. I would help if we can call you, or if we can do a google hange out session.
I am sorry for doubting you, but our money is on the line, and hopfully you are true to your word
This whole thing is indeed getting hatred. I'm actually being sorry for GXP to have to deal with all that... Evidence or Proof means nothing if it is not believed, it is an endless circle and each time you just have to be very careful what to include. People could spot a fly on the wall and claim it's not real!
Either believe it or not but don't go into calling for proof of all kind till the end of time. You are realizing that the device that is getting developed here is helping you to get lucid dreams in general? Guess what, lucid dreaming will make you question the very sense of reality if you try to learn it without the device. You HAVE to actually question yourself if you are awake or not, having doubts on that topic as much as here can be very dangerous. Draw a line at some point... Either say it's enough or quit but don't go the route of endless evidence.
It only hurts the mind and kills the mood on both parties, if there is no trust than there is no business. Though I will see and read how everything develops~
Grammar Errors can be kept if found, they seem to roam free through my text. I'm sorry if I insulted anyone in my text or seemingly threw myself to either side of the camps. This was not my intention to begin with.
I fully agree. This kinda is far too much.
Anyway, as GXP rightly said it, if you have trouble believing in the project and/or GXP now, you're free to buy LUCI once it is available through stores.
The only problem being, you'll not be one of the reasons why LUCI exists (which is something I know I'll be proud of later), you won't have a limited edition, and you won't have the 50% discount.
To me, those discussions are getting pretty counter-productive, and I agree with Zola about being sorry for GXP. Let them do their work, you either trust them or not, it is your choice.
I truly believe that we should stop talking about this, let's get back to the amazing suggestions everyone proposed daily, it is far healthier, and opposed to doubting the authenticity of GXP or their claims, those kind of discussions will result in a better experience with LUCI for all of us.
Seriously, they provided far more evidence than needed, the video would have been the icing on the cake.
PS: Jarrod, the first 500 limited editions that are gone were not entirely purchased a few days ago, I am one of the backers of this pledge, so I can assure you that there really are 500 real backers who pledged at this level.
So.... I'm NOT exactly thrilled that you are absolutely refusing to do a simple 2-5 minute YouTube video. Main thing is that we want to see the actual working product, and YOU talking about the final changes that you have decided upon implementing into the device.
What's the big problem with that????
-I feel that it is quite necessary, given all the changes that you've talked about making from the original prototype. That way everyone will definitively know what to expect from the finished product.
I'm no expert on this topic, but based on my own personal past lucid dreaming & astral projection experiences, along with my time in sleep studies for sleep apnea with somewhere around 10-20 sensors placed all over my head, plus my ownership of a Zeo product (which I'm not exactly sold on it's accuracy & ability either, BTW)..... I must say that I still don't have much faith in your single sensor & its placement, or your "too good to be true" 80% claim. I'm honestly feeling like the timer will be your main trigger for the audio. Why else would you even need to include a timer trigger if your electrode actually worked??
Come on folks, what are we intending to back here? GXP Technologies as a company or the Luci product? I would say the latter, which is exactly why I pledged in the first place. I could care less about the names of the company and its employees. Moreover, I believe a Facebook link is highly overrated (and easily faked) for Kickstarter purposes.
There are numerous studies in the world and perhaps an equal amount of contradictory studies, i.e. for every result of a study there could be at least one other study "proving" the first one wrong. Just take a look at one of the greatest geniuses of our time: Stephen Hawking. In some of his studies he proved that other genius wrong: Albert Einstein. Still, lots of people choose to believe what they find most plausible, which is what I do with this Luci project.
I wish GXP all the best in developing a quality product that does what they claim it does. And if you read their front page carefully, you know exactly what that is. There is no supposed "80% claim". All they say is that, with THEIR test subjects and with a specific type of prototype Luci, an average of 80% increase in a specific time period was noted by the test subjects.
Personally I can't wait and the naysayers are really, REALLY putting a damper on this then hiding behind a comment 'I don't wish to doubt you but...' or 'I don't want to ruin this but...'.
There is trust and there is no trust. GXP has already proven themselves that they -know- their stuff. So it's extremely annoying to see this on a kickstarter.
GXP are fine now, we should all just lay off.
Michael Paul Coder developing another product about lucid dreaming indeed explains a lot.
He's just trying to kill this campaign because he's afraid his product will be useless and won't sell when LUCI is released.
All this simply serve no purpose, just trust GXP and trust LUCI. We have all the reasons in the world to do so.
On another note, who's excited to see LUCI hit the $400.000 mark ?
I am, I am really pumped about it ! This campaign is such a success. :D
Elite, thanks for posting a link to one of my projects. If you have a look at my work, you will see that it is available for free and it is open source: https://github.com/lucidcode/LucidScribe-OpenEEG. The hardware is not mine – it is also open source. I am not selling anything. Hence the recognition from the hacker community.
And you will see that I have been doing this for years. As a hobby with a passion. And with real equipment. So I just wanted to warn you guys…
I backed this project because I felt morally obligated to alert you that it is a scam. I bought the USB drive, so don’t worry about it.
Then tell us how different is your project from LUCI?
Yeah manoko, this project has really blown up it will definitely reach 400k.
Hope to see it!
Nice to see that the tone has stabilized somewhat. However, please remember that this board should be used for discussing LUCI. That said, until the end of the campaign, we will only be responding to questions, comments and suggestions pertaining to the development of the device.
Kicktraq has some cool stats and projections for all Kickstarter campaigns. You guys should check it out.
Dear GXP Technologies,
I just saw your project and immediately backed it with the maximum amount. I hope that helps :)
With your permission, I would like to make two important points, learned from another project long ago, which was the company Zeo, which you may be familiar with.
The company went out of business after it failed at doing almost what you are doing: Creating a sleeping monitor. It was similar to yours, using a headband to detect the brainwaves (minus the voice, it wasn't meant for Lucid dream inducing, but for lucid dreamers, it could have been really useful) You can read the details about what essentially happened, here: http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/22/sleep-tracking-startup-zeo-says-goodnight/
I was one of the people very interested in buying the product, but came across a very interesting comment on the british Amazon website. It was written by an electrical engineer, and he mentioned the problems which damned the product to near-uselessness. In an effort to warn you not to make the same mistakes, I will summarize them here:
1) Zeo didn't take care to make sure that the electrodes were effective. The comment poster actually had to use an electrolyte gel to make sure that the data was correctly read by the sleep monitor.
2) The electrodes themselves were awkwardly placed and actually left pressure marks on the head where they had been used, so that was far from comfortable. I know that this must be really hard to adjust correctly, but sleeping with a headband that exerts pressure on your head is not comfortable.
3) Most important of all, Zeo forgot (or just didn't care) to introduce a calibration routine. Now, this is key. In order to make sure that the brainwaves are correctly recorded and identified, a proper calibration is mandatory. In the case of Zeo, the commenter was able to show that lots of noise occurred, going so war as to actually declare the person asleep while he was still lying awake. I will take the few more nights and effort required to properly follow a calibration routine, but please do make sure to include this, otherwise the results will be far from optimal.
Thank you very much for creating this project and making this kickstarter. I am very excited about it and hope that all goes well until February.
All the best,
Hi! Could you share with us in detail how it works? I am very very curious~
Thanks a lot for your amazing comment.
I really hope that GXP will both pay attention and reply to your suggestions and warnings.
I look forward to their reply. Those types of suggestions are priceless.
Here's a question I haven't seen an answer for(may have been answered): what will the power source be? Batteries? Outlet? Rechargeable battery? Solar? Nuclear? Wind? Gasoline? Propane? Natural gas? Hand cranked? Hamster wheel(will the hamster come with)? I could go on.
please do go on Andrew :)
I just got some feature ideas:
- It would be nice if the cables of the custom earbuds can be attached to the cable of the analyzer and to the headband. Maybe little rubber-clips. I do not like to be strangled during sleep of all that cables.
- An online database for vocal alert audio files. So people can upload their own creations and share them with others. Maybe with rating function.
If we got USB we can use it for a lot of things like:
- Firmware-updates for improved analyzer software
- A minimal MP3 player. So people can use it when going to sleep to hear some chillout music or tracks for brainwave stimulation. For sure with a sleep function!
- Already thought of rechargeable accu in the analyzer-box?
- Configurable settings over an ini-file. (volume-control, sleep-timer, alert sensitivity to prevent false alarms, timespan for alert (only between 5-8am) -- Now that would be really nice -- )
So with only a couple days to go, what EXACTLY are the final features that you've decided to go with on the final product????
-answering that with ONE question here, IN DETAIL, is truly the very least that you could do.
It seems like there not taking any more suggestions. At least they haven't been replying to our suggestions. But the features we do know about are: earphone jack(undisclosed location), included short-wire ear buds (apparently low profile w/different size attachments), USB port to change voice alert, 3 minute customizable voice alert. And of course a two-electrode headband that induces lucid dreams.
I may have missed things and maybe wrong about the things I included but this is just what I've gathered going through all the comments and updates and such
Bear in mind it is Sunday. Many campaigners are not active on the weekends. Fret not, you will likely see some responses tomorrow.
Very true Matthew.
I hope GXP will reply to the very interesting suggestions and warnings of Alexander Kunze.
To all how add suggestions, especially this late in the process: Please keep in mind that GXP would need to do some major restructuring in the current plan. The more they change, the more additional testing should take place. That might have an influence on the production plan mentioned at the botton of the project description page.
I am happy with the extras they have committed to so far (USB port to exchange the message, headset port for easy replacement, power-on confirmation and maybe a battery option that enables us to be independent from external power sources).
The first thing I've ever backed on kickstarter, all thanks to vsauce 2. Hope it all turns out for the best!
So close to 400K!
Alright, I spotted something very, very weird.
On the photo of the latest prototype, which can be found on the campaign home page (this one : https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/001/016/927/fe698ac341d49c3d52c5d8c1fdb01ce3_large.jpg…), the amplifier seems photoshoped into the photo, and isn't on the table.
Let me explain.
A photo of the amplifier can be found here on the internet: http://img.alibaba.com/img/pb/420/756/561/561756420_685.jpg
If you take a close look on the complete prototype photo, it is in the exact same position as this one. In any way this would be enough proof, but I found something more interesting. In this photo, you can see that the black circles on the sides of the prototypes are holes, and the background being black (a black table), they appear black as well of course.
Yet, on the complete prototype photo, the table isn't black. If the amplifier was really on the table, the holes would be brown, and yet they are black.
I don't understand why GXP would have to photoshop their prototype, maybe they can explain to us this odd finding.
Sorry if it's poorly explained, english is not my native language.
Another oddity of the complete prototype photo is the LUCI headband logo, which doesn't appear on its reflect on the table...
Will you integrate an alarm-function? I just thought, if there`s an ear-bud in my ear, I´m afraid I will not here my alarm clock.
@Manoko: Many thanks. That´s definitely weird. I backed down to 5 CAD just to be on the safe side until this is sufficiently resolved.
Also, since you probably will decide to avoide bluetooth-hardwareintegration, will you be considering a software-integration, since a bluetooth-stick could easily be put in the usb-slot.
That was a question ;-D . So will you???
@Michael: You're welcome. It may not be that important, but I'd like to hear GXP's side of the story about that. And thought this was interesting to point out.
I quite don't understand why Wayne and his wife do not want to make a 30 second youtube video, unedited if they are really busy, showing us their faces (it's always easier to trust someone you see, rather than a nickname) and the latest prototype.
It would be so quick to make, and stop everyone worries.
Please GXP, simply do it, even if you have a relevant reason not to. This is quick, easy, and very helpful to this campaign...
Anyone else agreeing with me ?
I agree very much. It would bring peace of mind.
@Manoko: I agree 100%
This project is really awesome, but there was so many wired things in the last days...
I backed down to $1. If they provide a video, I will back $150 again.
Just what exactly would a video proof? And if they don't want to make a video they have their reasons for it. I for example are paranoid I would never show myself in a video. :D
I also agree manoko, a video is not much to ask, even if it is from a small digital camera or on a phone, just showing the creator and LUCI.
It gives us a sense of trust by making us relate to individuals, that's for the faces part.
And, for the prototype, it shows us that they actually have done some in reality, not only on photoshop.
I kinda feel bad for saying things like this, since it is once again doubting them. But we can't simply overlook oddities, after what happened a day ago. Them not wanting to do a quick video is actually very weird to me, Kickstarter is a website where small businesses are supposed to be close to their customers, because they literally exists because of them, or at least heavily rely on them.
It's the bare minimum, to have faces to relate to, and a real view of the product we're purchasing. That's why a very quick video (even from a smartphone as Ben said), would really solve any trust issue anyone giving you their money can have. Show us who you are, show us what we're buying. You make it feel like it's a lot to ask, yet looking at things it should come naturally from you, we shouldn't have to ask that (especially true pictures of the prototypes, for those of you who don't understand this part, scroll down, I made a comment about it).
Well said manoko, it's the least you can do GXP! look at how much money you've got, you OWE us this.
Photo is really strange, especially the fact that it is only one. People need more proof that this is not a scam !
I sent you a private message, a few days ago. I need a reply ASAP, otherwise I'm gonna have to cancel my pledge.
This is all extremely suspicious, get on this GXP...
I want to say "hey guys, let's go with the approach Innocent until proven guilty". But you're not making it easy for us, GXP. I thought it was ridiculous when people were asking to see Barack Obamas birth certificate, but I find myself wanting to join in on the hunt for proof. And with more and more unexplained oddities and GXPs lack of immediate response the more riled up I get. I don't like that side of myself. But what if the mob is right? I hope that the product is real, that it really is the first-of-its-kind machine that will change all our lives. I really do. But I don't know if I can.
GXP: Do you have a ballpark figure for when Luci will be available for purchase after the last kickstarter rewards havw been shipped? A month? A year?
If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is~
If there was 1 hour left of this project right now, I would back out, and never use kickstarter again, I only signed up in the first place for LUCI.
I'll stay an optimist.
GXP Still have 3 days to seal the deal. I'm sure they'll pull through.
Come on GXP....
I live in Quebec.
Tomorrow, I'll make an inquiry into Quebec's Enterprise Register, and make some calls.
They are offline for maintenance this weekend. They should be back online by 11:00PM today, GMT-5
I too, would love to see a video of them with the product. No need to make/edit a long one. It would go a long way toward easing my doubts.
As for Manoko's comment about the photoshopped picture....If I don't see anything conclusive from GXP before the end of the campaign, I'll cancel my pledge.
Alexandre Dubé-Pakenham, we will be waiting your result after you call, thank you.
Alright guys, let's add to the list of weird things:
-When searching for Caluka Group on the web, you'll never find a website, which is odd for a company that is supposed to have had web hosting.
-email@example.com doesn't work, try sending an email yourself and you'll see what I mean.
-The application that Caluka developed is no longer on the app store. But I'm not so sure about that because, as I am in France it may not give me the permission to see it. If you live in Canada, please try searching "iWait" on your smartphone store, it should be an app dedicated to avoiding long queues in hospitals.
By the way, apart from a few articles talking about this app at the end of 2012, there is nothing to be found since then. Please do verify, if you live in Quebec, that is exists in the app store of android store (Alexandre Dubé-Pakenham, can you please take care of that for me ?)
-Neither "iWait", nor "Caluka seem to exist in the Canadian Copyright Database (http://www.ic.gc.ca/app/opic-cipo/cpyrghts/dsplySrch.do…). "Wayne Kendall" doesn't appear to be the author to any copyright for that matter, you can search either direct copyrights names or authors.
-Furthermore, LUCI is supposed to be registered (you can see it by the little "TM" on the right of the name of this campaign), yet the same website, but for trademarks (http://www.cipo.ic.gc.ca/app/opic-cipo/trdmrks/srch/bscSrch.do…) gives 13 results when searching for "LUCI" (you can try it out yourself, that's why I sent you the link), and none corresponds to either the description of the device (as a lucid dream inducer), or the author name being "Wayne Kendall".
- The registered domain by Wayne Kendall, ie "caluka.com", leads to a blank page. Again, try it out yourself.
-There used to be a facebook page for the iWait app, you can see it by typing of google "iWait facebook". It's the first link that pops up (at least here in France). "IWait, Trois-Rivières, Quebec. 9 likes · 0 talking about this.".
When you click on it, it redirects to your home page, meaning that is has been deleted.
Add all of this to the things I found about the prototype pictures, and there you have it, a lot of reason to doubt this campaign.
GXP, you absolutely have to reply to this.
Thanks for the comment manoko, I think I'm gonna back out within the next day if GXP doesn't reply..
Sorry, typos: it's firstname.lastname@example.org , without the "-".
You can find this address on the whois of "caluka", right there: http://www.whoismind.com/whois/caluka.com.html
@Alexandre Dubé-Pakenham: I tried to contact you via hangout but you don't seem to be connected (@manoko as well)
Please excuse the "lack of immediate response" on this Sunday spent with the wife and kids. ;)
While Kickstarter recommends a personal video from the project's creator(s), this is not an obligation. Did it ever occur to any of you that some people just don't like to see themselves on video? Especially when it will be archived forever on this site. It took everything to get Martine's photo on the project page! lol
Once again, you certainly don't have to back this project if you have any concerns. You can wait for the LUCI to come out on retail sites. It should be available for sale at roughly the same time as your rewards. So if you prefer waiting, no harm done.
We ask that that you show respect to the people who's useful comments are being diluted with your conspiracy theories. With 3 days left in the campaign, we will only be discussing how to make the product better.
That said, here are answers to some real questions...
- Yes, we plan to add a wake-up alarm feature.
- After all the comments, we will leave both batteries and AC power.
- We will be using a dry electrode for the input (probably from G-Tec)
- A clip for use with your own earphones will certainly be a viable option
- An online database of audio files. Definitely doable and a wonderful suggestion from Lukas!
- The USB port is pretty unavoidable at this point. Weather we will only be able to export raw data, or have a complete software application at the time of launch will have to be seen.
- MP3 player: we will see with the circuit designer if we can simply ad an MP3 radio module to the main PCB.
Awesome suggestions folks! Sorry that they are being buried by others on this forum. On the final day, we will compile a complete list of requested features and we'll see if we missed some. I'm very excited that we're turning this simple device into something so much more. Hopefully, it will become the gold standard in lucid dream induction!
How about some NON PHOTOSHOPPED pictures of the prototype without showing your face ?
"We ask that that you show respect to the people who's useful comments are being diluted with your conspiracy theories."
I'm one of the most active backers, I want nothing more than this product being real and working as intended.
Why do you have to be so shady, when there is no trace of you on the internet ? This is ridiculous, you shouldn't talk like that to your backers.
Again guys, another weird thing, what the hell was that ?!
Also, what's up with the prototypes photo ? Why did you have to photoshop it ?
"iWait" doesn't exist in the Android App store. I've tried finding it from my laptop, or my smartphone, and it does not exist.
I don't own any Apple products, so I can't verify on the iTunes Store.
As for iWait.ca I think it also is a scam:
This is the contact phone number on iWait.ca: 1-888-705-5755
After a quick Google search on that phone number, it redirects two companies, iWait and :
GXP, we do understand that you do not want to be shown on video, but it's the least you could do.
Also, please tell us why the pictures are photo shopped, and just give us a video of JUST the LUCI, nothing more.
There's a photo of Martine wearing the prototype on her head.
I also found an app called, "Iqueue Wait List App"there are no ratings for it.and it's ,and its made by Long Range Systems.
raffinor.ca is a company claiming to buy your gold at a better price than the concurrence: They promise a 5% better rate than anyone else.
That's a piece of plastic wrapped around her head.
You should have tons of non photoshopped pictures at this stage of the project.
Why can't you show some ?
"There's a photo of Martine wearing the prototype on her head."
Firstly, this doesn't explains why the prototypes photos are photoshoped.
And, in the photo, we do not see the amplifier.
Thanks for your very valuable info.
Another weird thing, the phone number isn't exclusive to iWait.
The 1-888 number was previously used for our gold recycling business. We no longer needed it for that purpose and switched it over to iWait.
At this point, I have no choice but to file a harassment complaint with Kickstarter. Sorry people but this is getting out of hand.
www.iwait.ca and www.raffinor.ca are both written in perfect French, so they are definitively not scammers from India.
Both websites have the same opening/closing hours.
Raffinor.ca has not been updated since 2011, as you can see by the dates they are claiming to be visiting cities: http://raffinor.ca/dates.php
Also, the rates they provide for the gold are not up-to-date.
Show us pictures of the progress / prototype of Luci, and there will be no harassment.
Je ne vois pas en quoi poser des questions légitimes, et ne pas obtenir de réponse, peut se classifier comme du harcèlement.
Nous ne voulons rien de compliqué: des photos de LUCI et/ou un court vidéo du prototype.
I can handle the harassment complaint, I don't think pointing weird things from a creator is that big of a deal. The prototype photo is photoshoped, there is no trace over the internet of you nor your company.
I am a $175 backer, this is so frustrating. I want to believe in you and your product with all my heart, thus the passion I had writing every single comment on this project. Yet, some things are really bugging me, and you're filing a complaint instead of replying to them (I'm talking about the photoshoped prototype image).
I really do not know what to say, I'll wait for Kickstarter to contact me I guess. I do not think I've done or said anything out of line, there has been a scam project about Kobe beef recently on Kickstarter, so I think we should not blindly take your words for the truth, and you should understand that as well.
I'm out of things to say about this, again as I said, this is so frustrating and unfair. I hope the Kickstarter staff will understand the position of all of the backers that find this particularly odd, and raise their voices to clear the situation.
Exact Alexandre, Raffinor n'est plus en service. C'était un projet qui n'avait pas réussi. J'espère que tes recherches au registre des entreprises estomperons tes soucis. Dommage que le site n'est pas fonctionnel en ce moment. Mais celà n'est aucunement de notre faute.
GXP, je ferai aussi une recherche dans ce registre pour prouver votre bonne-parole. Je ne comprends pas non plus en quoi poser des questions consiste en du harcèlement.
Nous essayons simplement d'y voir plus clair, j'adorerais avoir mon LUCI dans les mains et le porter dès ce soir, et je crois que vous le savez très bien après avoir lu mes nombreux commentaires, en large majorité pour vanter votre produit.
Je doute que parler français vous fasse entendre raison, mais j'essaye tout de même.
Alors oublions les autres projets passés.. et concentrons nous sur celui là.
Can you provide some non-photoshopped pictures of the latest Luci prototype ?
Alexandre, résidant en France, je ne serai surement plus debout lorsque l'heure de la fin de la maintenance arrivera. Pourras-tu partager le résultat de ta recherche au registre des entreprises québécoises dès que tu l'obtiendras ?
Je te remercie,
Manoko, the (R) symbol is used for a registered trademark. The "TM" has no legal value.
People easily will attack any form of hiding, whether it is caused by an effort to deceive or it is cause by honest reasons.
I believe GXP is authentic and honest, and I feel a little sorry for them at this point. That in mind, this is what happens when someone gets popular. The more popular, the more scrutiny.
And no matter the reasons, honest or not, some people get automatically worried when they can't see someone's faces.
I can see by all the other evidence that GXP is real, and I understand some don't want to show themselves in public here on kickstarter. GXP has given me the impression of being a little shy from the get go.
And shyness is usually accompanied with some effort of hiding, and any effort of hiding trigger people's insecurity. That is why people get bullied at school, even though their behaviour has good reasons, people pick at them because they are hiding themselves in some way or another and the bullies don't understand that empathically.
So, empathy people!
GXP, that's a start, alright I recognize that you're right on this part, I didn't know that.
That's all I ask, prove me wrong on everything I said !
Please GXP, we are asking nothing vast, just a few un photo shopped pictures.
Which "Photoshopped" photos are you referring to?
@Svein Daniel Solvenus : shy to show pictures ofnon-photoshopped Luci prototype ?
Anyways, I do believe this project is real.
@GXP: well then show us "other" pictures of Luci prototype (or a video, without showing your face).
https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/001/016/927/fe698ac341d49c3d52c5d8c1fdb01ce3_large.jpg… there is no logo in the reflection on the table.
I was talking about them making a video of themselves.
The photoshopping, I don't know.
GXP, just read my comment from earlier this night, wait I'll repost it:
"Alright, I spotted something very, very weird.
On the photo of the latest prototype, which can be found on the campaign home page (this one : https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/001/016/927/fe698ac341d49c3d52c5d8c1fdb01ce3_large.jpg…), the amplifier seems photoshoped into the photo, and isn't on the table.
Let me explain.
A photo of the amplifier can be found here on the internet: http://img.alibaba.com/img/pb/420/756/561/561756420_685.jpg
If you take a close look on the complete prototype photo, it is in the exact same position as this one. In any way this would be enough proof, but I found something more interesting. In this photo, you can see that the black circles on the sides of the prototypes are holes, and the background being black (a black table), they appear black as well of course.
Yet, on the complete prototype photo, the table isn't black. If the amplifier was really on the table, the holes would be brown, and yet they are black.
I don't understand why GXP would have to photoshop their prototype, maybe they can explain to us this odd finding.
Sorry if it's poorly explained, english is not my native language."
Please reply to this comment with honesty.
Counting on you GXP.
Ben, the logo is a detail and can easily be a trick of the eye.
The amplifier, and its "black holes instead of brown", aren't.
Also 1 grand away from 400K!
Also, that's a pretty damn obvious copy and paste when you compare the two images
I believe many has reacted to the photoshopping that GXP has done on their pictures. That of course gives an impression of not being authentic, and I now some haven't given LUCI a chance just because of that.
Just as Manoko said...I want to believe in you.
That's why I'm still a 150$ backer.
But when small things start pilling up, it casts doubts in my mind.
No problem, I will share the results here, as soon as I get them.
@Svein Daniel Solvenus
I do not ask GXP to show their faces. All I want is a video of the prototype. Videos are almost impossible to fake rapidly, and doing it well requires skill and a lot of time.
And the "drop shadow effect" on the top of the amplifier.
@Svein, thank you for backing me up on this.
@Richard, yep the cope/paste of it is pretty obvious to me as well.
I can understand that GXP want their pictures to look good, maybe something has made it hard to make them look professional. And that is the reason for sing photoshopping. I don't know.
@svein at the moment I don't think we want quality photos, just something real.
@Svein Daniel: he just denied there's any photoshopping at all =)
I'd love that too! :-D
I also want to show GXP understanding.
Svein, to me, we really deserve an explanation of this.
If you think about it, it shows us that GXP never provided actual photo of anything but the rubber band and the earphones. This to me is the real weird thing.
Every photo of the amplifier comes from other sources.
I'm sure he is a little resistant to openly admitting to using photoshopping, yes.
Just look at other projects from the same category, ie "Technology".
In everyone of them, there are a lot, and I truly mean a lot of photos of prototypes. This is something to be proud of as creator.
GXP, be proud of LUCI, show us what it is, show us what we are buying.
@Svein, ok now let's assume that.
How hard is it to get (medium quality) pictures to calms us down, instead of filing harrasment complaints ?
And anyway we are NOT harassing, we are not being offensive, rude or anything for you to have to file a report, we are asking something very reasonable.
I am with everyone on our worries. I don't yet understand the reason for using photoshopping. And I too seek some comforting response on this.
I have no idea what GXPs resistance to exposing their prototype in all its glory is about.
I am glad I could expose this photoshop oddity.
GXP, we're waiting for you to explain this. We deserve it, I'm not the only one asking for it so you can't ignore it.
.. or file a complaint for asking for it.
But obviously they got some reason. I guess all this pressure will result in something. Maybe GXP will use the opportunity to take some shitty pictures :-)
I'm definately not a professional photoshopper, i don't even haev photoshop. but I put the googled amp image,directly under GXP's "photo of the prototype"
-also added a logo reflection, for fun
The reason GXP has mentioned a harassment complaint is because he is hurting for not receiving understanding for his choices, and that is one way of expressing a need for some love and compassion. It is a popular defence mechanism in our society.
A picture is worth a thousand words. Thanks for summarizing my comment on one single image ! :)
Well, whatever the reason, I do not think anyone here deserves to be the target of a harassment complaint.
Anyone else wondering about the sudden silence from GXP ?
This is so weird, really... :(
@Svein, I think he can make some sacrifices for us about his choices, and send us some pictures !!
yes manoko, They should respond promptly.
Unless they are talking pictures right now, or faking some, I let you guys have your own opinion about it.
We put rubber pads we put on each corner to keep the soldered legs from scratching everything we put it on.
However, I recall there being some flash issues when taking the picture making some details very bright and difficult to see. It's quite possible that the photo was tweaked for clarity. I'm not the photo person for this project, so I can't say much on that subject for now.
No, truly we all deserve love, and that is how love was expressed this time. No worries, hay una mataba.
Come on people, I am not defending anyone. I am just wanting to give some positive stuff here, because obviously that is what is needed to inspire some positive reaction from GXP, I addition to the pressure you all are offering. :-)
he has gone off to take some pictures, because he is in such a good mood from the love here :-)
And no, NO ONE does anything just because they should, sadly.
You mean hakuna matatah?
Thanks auto correct. It was hakuna matata I meant, obviously.
haha, mataba means murder also :)
@Svein, no he didn't go to take pictures, he's not the "picture guy" you know..
GXP, I don't really buy into that rubber pads excuse, but I let you the benefit of the doubt for now.
In previous comments, you said that the LUCI team consisted only of you and your wife, who's the new guy in charge of the photos now ?
When can we expect real photos of the prototype ? You have to take them and show us.
There's no way that's just "rubber pads on the corner"
It's completely 100% identical to a generic googled image.
And with that. I'm out. not posting again. goodluck everyone. I'm really disappointed..
Was looking forward to this.
Ummm..... and you just so happened to place it in the EXACT same angle as another stock photo floating around the internet??
This is getting more and more obvious...
me too manoko, I'm pissed off.
Yeah, GXP, from the outside as a backer, you are not instilling confidence of your product right now. There is one single solution to this, and that is to take some pictures with your mobile and uploading them.
There is no reason I can think of, that can explain not showing real pictures, if the product is real and tested.
Only way to redeem yourself now is with an ACTUAL updated (& UNALTERED) picture and/or video.
I'll wait until tomorrow to see how things evolve.
If this is still looking like a scam, let's inform Kickstarter about it so they can investigate.
Like the Kobe beef project that was a scam after all, they need to shut off the campaign before its end. If not, you'll never see your money again.
I am going back to bed, really disappointed. I'll take 100 complaints from you GXP, because I have the arguments to explain why it is so hard to trust you. If you are for real, take real pictures of prototypes, make a video, despite your "shyness". God, we're talking about $400.000, and you can't overcome the fact that you're camera-shy ?!...
This is ridiculous, this is disappointing, this is making me so sad.
I will hold my breath a couple of days on this. And encourage everyone that want to see real pictures, to say so here.
This is a MUST and SHOULD at this point. To show pictures. The only reason for not showing real pictures with such a demand, is that this is a scam.
@Svein, only 3 days to go.. so don't hold your breath too long
I also encourage people to stick with this project, they cant take your money until wednesday/thursday
So just stick with it, and let them try and explain themselves
Or downgrade your pledge to 1$ so you can stay active here. If they provide what we ask for then go back to your original pledge.
I won't, couple days is two days.
Let us notify kickstarter of this, just to apply a little extra pressure and be ready if this really is not as it should.
I'm a supporter, but I'm disappointed as well, to be honest. I hope GXP can reply to this soon and give it until the final day. If nothing happens then, I'll have to withdraw my pledge, which I really do not want to see happening.
It's almost 2 am, but i'm not gonna sleep till GXP replies, or gets some pictures taken.
THIS IS A SCAM => PROOF
Made by Caluka Group, this is a complete ripoff of this legitimate AMERICAN website, from GoldExperts (http://www.gold-experts.com/)
@Ben Cranna, you have few dollars at stake, and don't want to go to sleep.
GXP have 400k at stake, and he doesn't mind leaving us without a reply (he was here few minutes ago and just disappeared).
If that wasn't a scam and he had a way to take pictures, he could have done that by now. How hard is it to go take pictures of your product, especially if you own the company?
Thanks to @Manoko, @Ben, @Svein, @Michael, @Richard, etc. for exploring on the doubtful issues of this project, I'm sure it helped a few backers rethink about this. I think Svein input on being respectful is the right choice, yet things have ramped up in a way that even if they made photo and video proof I'd still have a hard time believing the actual product works as described. It's 400k we are talking about here, I'm sure they can allocate some of those resources to show good proof of it both existing and working.
Please someone with more knowledge than me tell me if there should be a problem with this petition: I want to see someone wearing the device while you record the reception of brain waves showing up in your computer, or the device you use normally to test for the reception of those.
I expect that isn't going to happen, so, being very sorry if I am wrong and this is the real deal, I'll probably have to report on it for investigation tomorrow, which is a bummer.
Found the original photo. As I suspected, it was way over-exposed. But I put it up on the project page for you. Guess it won't hurt too much with 3 days to go.
My apologies for doubting you also.
Hi! I'll go over and take a look :)
I know this is a little to ask, but could you just out you're hand in the photo, or something like a note saying this is used for luci?
That photoshopped picture is even worse than the first one!
Oh come one Michael :D
http://goldpros.ca/about.php => Caluka Group
http://www.gold-experts.com/about.php => Gold Expert
Please, everyone, take your money out.
Hack the planet!
I was really looking forward to this product but at this point i'm very skeptical. I want to see a unmodified video of your prototype.it will only take a few seconds with a smart phone
Alexandre, I hope that you're kidding?
JESUS CHRIST GXP! just take a fucking video! why is it so hard!
What happened to the "rubber bands".
That was the explanation for the black dots earlier, was it not?
@Alexandre, please focus on the photoshopped picture.. that's enough proof.
Otherwise he's going to be again talking about the companies and how they're legit, and turning us away from the main subject: The pictures !
They're rubber "pads" and we put them on after the photo was taken. After the wife noticed scratches all over her desk. lol
I think the fact that there is a ripoff of an American website made by the Caluka Group is proof enough of the fact that it is a scam.
Wait, now there's 2 versions of the EXACT same picture?
I thought that you had found the "original" picture, the non-photoshopped one.
How can rubber pads not be in the "original" (still photoshopped) you just put up, while there are some in the picture you took down?
Umm, goldpros.ca and goldexperts.ca both belong to us (check whois). Are we really talking about gold on this forum?
WOW!! Just wow........ That circuit board & electrode sure didn't receive much of that flash, huh??
Enough about gold, I want a video of the prototype
Exactly...please go check http://www.gold-experts.com/
You'll find that the websites you just cited are exact copies of the American one...
I wonder who would do that...maybe scammers?
Albert. The two PCB's aren't at the same angle if you line up the original photo with the touched up one.
Christ GXP make a video!
@GXP: but the wires are exactly the same angle!
Alexandre, gold-experts.com is the American version of our web site goldexperts.ca. We even point to it from the goldexperts.ca site for our american visitors (below the sign up form).
Why can't you just take a new picture?
You did exactly what Majid said, stop talking about the website, and make a video.
Make a video !! We know you have a smart phone as seen here https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/967/996/9afa58cccad556dc89bac7ca81638986_large.jpg…
We have a video. Took us over a month to make.
If you click on the play button on the image, you will see our video.
So take a picture. Takes 5 seconds.
GXP this video wont take a month, just showcase the product and then put it on yourself or someone with your iphone.
Please gentlemen, I think we agreeded that what we want is extra proof on the device existence. The gold discussion, who said what, and the general attacking tone of the last 10 messages is not really going to help get what we want, and if he was saying the truth you'd be hurting him emotionally, which will make him not think clearly and get in an argument instead of doing the best for everyone. Please leave some space.
Edward, the photos of the project are all on our project page. Please very your browser settings if you cannot see the images.
How about this? Why don't you take a photo of yourself or your family member wearing it, then censor out the face using mosaic or something? That's better than nothing
There's a photo of my wife wearing the prototype. Please very your browser settings if you have trouble seeing our project photos.
Again that cpuld just be plastic with earphones under it, please make a new short simple video.
I'll ask my question again:
If I understand correctly, there are 2 versions of the EXACT same picture.
From what you said, you "found" the original picture (let's forget the fact that it is, too, photoshopped)
How can the "rubber pads" not be on the original, but be in the picture you took down?
All photos and videos intended for this project are already up on the site. Thank you for your understanding.
Xantomen, very nice :-)
Alexandre, one of the PCB's appears at a different angle.
@GXP Do you understand the situation? We want new and better proof. If that is not provided, everyone that knows about this will back off the project and ask for an investigation report.
I can see the pictures just fine. But they're clearly shopped. Why are you being so difficult about this? The amount of time you're spent trying to argue against all of our, apparently ridiculous, claimsyou could have posted an entire album.
Surely you have your Luci close by? What about a camera phone? You're already uploaded another picture, so we know you're capable, but I think what everyone here wants, seeing as how in 3 days you're going to be in charge of our collective 400,000 bucksbucks, is one or two non doctored photos.
I am still waiting on that video
@GXP but the wires are the exact same angle, just the PCB's "layer" slightly rotated.
These are the 2 pictures. The angle is the same. The only difference is that you zoomed in a bit.
The wires are in the exact same position.
What a joke you guys are!! None of us understand your shady ways!!
There is absolutely no explaining your photo that makes sense based on what you've said about it.
If you can't provide another photo (at the very least), then you obviously have nothing to show for us to support. Plain & simple.
People, realize that GXP does not want to make new pictures or videos. He displays that clearly. The question is, is that OK for you? If not, you should remove your funding of the project. Because he is not going to make new pictures or movies.
Why, I don't know.
Again, for the 3rd time, I ask my question:
Alexandre Dubé-Pakenham 7 minutes ago
I'll ask my question again:
If I understand correctly, there are 2 versions of the EXACT same picture.
From what you said, you "found" the original picture (let's forget the fact that it is, too, photoshopped)
How can the "rubber pads" not be on the original, but be in the picture you took down?
you are being very difficult GXP...
Where did the rubber pads go, as they clearly are not in the "original" (the one recently uploaded), but are, according to you, visible on the modified picture you took down?
I rewatched the video. There are only two shots of the device. Both are shopped - it's not hard to tell.
Take a new photo. Think of all the hassle it stops.
The only people who are this defensive are people who have something to hide, what are you hiding GXP ?
Alexandre, read below on the rubber pad issue. Your concern was already addressed.
Yes. I badly want this to be true, and wish that I can support something as great as this, but really. I was a big supporter of this project as well.
Please answer our questions professionally, and give us something -concrete- . Doing so is to prove that this is in fact not a scam and to regain the trust of your backers.
So please. Really the doubts are piling up pretty badly, and if nothing is done to assure your backers, it would not be pretty for both sides.
This was your answer: "They're rubber "pads" and we put them on after the photo was taken. After the wife noticed scratches all over her desk. lol"
How did the rubber pads disappear from the original picture, when you said they were put after that picture? Because the 2 pictures you showed us are exactly the same....
Man, just think of all the new picture you could have taken in the last 10. Could have convinced a lot of people. Averted a lot of this unnecessary questioning and arguing.
I'm on my phone in my bed, having trouble sleeping due to all of this.
I'll keep it simple, the new photo is so fake that it is becoming humiliating, they truly take us for retards.
GXP, new photo, new 30 seconds video, how hard is it to understand ?
Anyway, if this is indeed a scam, you will not get away with it, I can guarantee that. I already sent a message to Kickstarter asking them to investigate, this is just too much crap coming from someone who is about to get $400.000.
Congrats to everyone for your persistence.
If your product is real, and you have worked hard at creating this product you are indeed passionate about, because i would be on a product like this. Something that you can be proud of, to say i created something that people wanted! If you are indeed the real thing you need to understand the damage you are creating to yourself and the Luci Brand. You will be throwing away an opportunity to create something amazing, because that 400k can be taken away with no more than a few backers reporting you for fraud, and so they should even if you and your product are real! You were so willing to change and add features, but when it comes to a simple photo or video, you ignore. Real or not, i am disappointed in GPX.
If this isn't cleared up ASAP I'm backing out on this one. Sad :/
Please ask to Kickstarter to investigate guys. The sooner the better: either GXP is for real and we'll avoid many more hours of not trusting them and being really disappointed, or they are indeed a scam and everyone who backed can be prevented from losing their money.
I think we gave enough proof that this, at the very least, needs further investigation.
But, my gosh, trying to redeem themselves for photoshopping a picture by giving us another photoshopped picture, this must be the definition of stupidity.
@Manoko I reported also, and hope that more people do.
Lets say....that this is real guys. The way GPX have handled this is completely unprofessional in every way. I think its awful the way he is talking to the backers of this project. And we are going to trust this person with 400k who replies to us with riddles and rudeness,
. Remember GPX you cant get far with this idea without US (the people who are paying for your product!) You need to either grow up and listen and respond to what people are asking you. Provide us with some type of evidence what so ever of your current prototype. Or you wont see a single Canadian dollar,
Actually, they don't. In three days, if nothing becomes of this, they have all that money. You're not going to get 2600 people to back out now. They're very nearly free and clear. If it is a scam is a complete disaster, of not it should be celebrated as a great achievement.
That said, beneath the comment is it says to 'be respectful and considerate'. I think it's a Shane that GXP are being neither.
Please. I urge you to at least show concrete proof. If there still isn't, I may have to withdraw.
@Edward unless we all report and Kickstarter look into that before it's too late.
@Edward That might be very truth. It's interesting how you can only know about this stuff if you look good in the Comments section before or after Backing Up. It would probably make sense to have a "Positive Votes from Backers/Negative Votes from Backers" in the main page of Projects so you can get a vision of how it is going before and after you get your money in.
Okay. This is it guys. If GXP doesn't prove anything by their next comment, I'm out. Thank you for all your time
@Pontata, Same for me
All available photos and videos of our prototype are on the project page. Thank you for your understanding.
WOW, All that time and that is what you come up with !! What a joke !!
So..... you got nothing. Nice. There's your answer folks!!
It would be super easy to clear this up if they were legitimate. I suggest withdrawing and reporting. I wish it had been real. It is a great idea. :/
And what about an EXPLANATION behind the reasoning for this refusal of an updated picture??
Did your camera and/or smartphone(s) break all of a sudden??
I just reported this project to Kickstarter using the "Report this project to Kickstarter" button at the bottom of the Home page.
I used the option "This is not a project", since there are no options for a suspected scam/fraudulent project.
*the Home page of the project.
Everyone, please report this project. If GPX is the real deal, then they will get the money, but if kickstarter finds out that GPX is scamming, then they dont see a cent of it. It's pretty straight forward, if GPX is legit, we get a LUCI, if GPX isnt legit, then we dont get scammed out of $400,000.
I suggest that anyone who is also having doubts report this project.
This will at the very least alert Kickstarter and start an investigation.
So a summary for the future comments readers so they don't get lost:
- Manoko spotted an oddity in the only picture available of the prototype : the amplifier (in the left side of the picture), is clearly photoshopped.
taken somewhere from the internet.
- GXT replied that there's no photoshopping. And the holes on the card are black because there's a black rubber band under the card. And threatned to report us for harrassment.
- Richard Gammon, provided proof that there is actually lots of photoshopping involved:
- GXT replied that there may have been some photoshopping, because of the flash, and privided the non photoshopped version: https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/001/308/574/c733998a1d6145ca059bbd8d74ff67c7_large.jpg…
which turned out to be more obvious than the version before.
- Everybody saw that it clearly was photoshopped and worse, and there's no black rubber band anymore.
- Everybody asked for another picture, or a video.
- GXT said they won't provide any (at first because he's shy to appear in a video, then because he can't provide a quality video now, then because he can't provide a quality picture, and now be cause he doesn't want to).
- And we're still waiting...
Wow I left my device upstairs for just a few hours and this "project" has become a complete disaster. I've read every comment since my absence. I agree with the others, back out of this "project" or at the very least go to the $1 reward AND report this project. Also write a similar message about reporting this "project" so as many people as possible can see this "project" is indeed a scam. Furthermore I would like to thank Michael Paul Coder for having the initial doubt in this "project" and the others who helped research all the lies and bull crap we've been fed by GXP. Thank you
To add to Majid Liassi's comment, please report GPX. If they are legit, then there is no problem, but if they are trying to scam us, then we just kept them from stealing $400,000.
Reported. Thanks Manoko for noticing the now obvious photoshopping. Hopefully Kickstarter will be investigating asap.
man, i hate this sooo bad... i really wanted to have this device, and now, if this is a scam, i'm not just upset about that, but that the actual product doesn't even exist. i'm reporting this also, and i would advise everyone else to, as well. i have remained silent since my last comment asking about features, but his has become a nightmare. GXP is flat-out ignoring everyone and the concerns of the backers, which are all justified. i'm very upset... so much so, it's pissing me off that i keep seeing the pledge amount rise, knowing that this is still being "advertised" by vsauce (apparently), and others. what is so hard about a prototype pic?! he can't even be bothered to explain why he can't do it. oh, the suffering GXP would endure if they had to post a new pic!! and why are there people who are concerned about the feelings of someone who doesn't give a damn about those of his backers? we assumed he was being truthful about being "shy", and we told him he didn't have to show his face, but apparently his hands are trade secrets, or they are "shy" as well. maybe "LUCI" has low self-esteem, and doesn't want to be photographed, either. maybe GXP is worried we will paste his head on a horse sex video, or something... is that it? =P i just can't figure this out... and the backers keep a-comin'... =[
You gave me an idea Michael. Can you guys help me out by commenting on the vsauce2 video to warn people of backing this "project"
@Andrew Orlando, that's what I did. Maybe we could get vsause to make a statement saying that Luci is a scam and warn people.
@Andrew Orlando. post a link of the video, so other people can warn the youtube audience.
I got it, http://www.youtube.com/watch…
Here's the link to the vsauce2 video promoting this scam: http://m.youtube.com/watch…
I also just commented on the video please thumbs it up and make a comment of your own. My account name is 3firstnames94 if you see it please thumbs up. Thanks guys!
I also just commented on the Vsauce video! If you see a comment for user YDude26 please also like along with Andrew's comment
@Andrew Orlando and @William Ivan. thank you
And Andrew I have a question. Let's say that I stay backed up with this project, like I currently am, and kickstarter finds that this project is fake then would I be refunded or no?
I'm not quite sure as this was my first project that I backed. But I'm fairly certain that your credit card does not get charged until the project has ended and you have until then to remove your pledge. If you wait until after the project and kickstarter sees this project as a scam I don't know if we will be refunded. Just make sure to get your money out before it ends, that's what I'm doing.
On another note, my iPod keeps crashing while I file through the YouTube comments to find the ones I need to thumbs up grrrr
Well I mean is it 100% for certain that this project is a fake? I'm just making sure you're 100% for sure.
Well, I've looked at the Quebec Enterprise registry, here are the results:
GXP Technologies DOES NOT exist. Even subsidiaries must be registered.
And about Caluka Group:
First off, it is an individual company with no employees.
Secondly, there are no business address.
Thirdly, its Primary Industry Sector is Informatic Services (IT Consultations) and its Secondary Industry Sector is Precious Metals Recycling.
Fourthly, they have used multiple aliases throughout the years in Quebec...Why the need for so many different names?
For those who want to read the full report (in French):
I'm not 100% sure but I'm not taking the risk. Besides GXP is being really unprofessional and they don't deserve our money.
Okay. That's it. GXP, you have done nothing to assure your backers. I'm out now.
Even if this is real, PR has been completely unprofessional to the point of dissing some of your own backers, and I would not want to deal with a company like this.
I sympathise that you might probably have a lot of trouble going on now, but this is now a project that has 400k on stake. It's more than just you and your product. It's also about your backers.
Have a good day.
I mean I really want this product badly but I did notice in the video it's all 3D modeling concept and no real video. I'm backing out now. Thank God I randomly decided to read the comments today haha!
170 rue Lottinville Trois-Rivières (Québec) G8T4K7 Canada
A Google Search of that address returns:
Which lists affiliate enterprises.
Yep, we all wanted this product and to trust GXP. It's sad that this happened. You've ruined kickstarter for me GXP. And it sucks even worse that this dude is just walking away with nearly a half million dollars.
Well I mean if this project isn't real couldn't this guy be sued for so much money?
By all of the backers
Wow... i backed this project a week ago but after stumbling onto the commentstoday, I'M BACKING OUT!!!!!!
Thanks to everyone who did their research and due diligence!!!
Yeah this company is going to have to do A LOT in the next 70 hours to even make me consider to back this project again. If they can prove themselves, which is very doubtful, then I'll back again.
Not sure you'd have to figure that out by reading kickstarters rules and regulations and legal stuff
Guys! We are making an impact! The pledge amount has gone down! Please keep spreading the word! People just seeing the comments read them! Let everyone know this is a scam anyway you know how!
Just spent an hour or more reading the comments and am amazed at the downward spiral GXP created for themselves.
I truly loved the idea of this project and have told all my friends about it and how I am proud to be an early backer.
With that being said I will pull out before the end if GXP doesn't show real proof of a *working* product. It doesn't take much to please backers and I have backed a few projects before.
Projects that stop communication after the campaign ends suck big time when all people want is a little info. With the rollercoaster ride GXP has been putting people through when they could have taken a new picture in a matter of minutes means they won’t be very helpful after the campaign either.
Even if it is a legit project I cannot stand when there is a lack of communication and would not want to back this anyway if the communication and lack of overall evidence continues on its current path.
I really, really want this. But if nothing solid is shown in 50 hours I'll be backing out!!
The band at the least seems to be real.
http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php… but the rest of the "device" I can hardly say the same.
Im not going to tell you what to think or what I think but looking at the ELA of these pictures can clearly show something.
Repost this as im not sure that once I have removed my pledge that this will stay up.
Hmmm.. backing out and reporting for now. However, the "Report this project" button doesn't give an option that fits the scenario... what are you all choosing?
@Andrew, we have been using the "this is not a project" scenario
I put this is not a project. At the end of the description it says something about getting a product which we will not get from GXP, or it won't be as described
Greetings, fellow dream enthusiasts. After reading all the drama that has taken place in this comments section over the past 24 hours, I feel compelled to share a few thoughts on this matter. I am not accredited in any way, nor do I claim to be. I am someone who has explored and researched many aspects of dreams/dreaming/lucid-dreaming for about 15 years. I have experienced many lucid dreams. I have also met and had council with several individuals who are the "real deal" when it comes to dream exploration/control. The concept of flying and fantasy fulfillment while dreaming, is really just the tiniest little tip of the iceberg of the VAST implications of the mysteries that the dream state holds for human beings. The idea that an inexpensive and relatively simple piece of technology can facilitate "control and awareness" while in the dream state, while an attractive proposition, unfortunately, I find this highly unlikely to be effective. I wish it was as simple as getting an auditory or visual "cue", as many devices have claimed, over the years. Becoming conscious or "aware" in the dream state, is much more about ENERGY, and personal/spiritual state of mind/being. Everyone wants to fly like a bird, or soar like Superman, and indeed the scope of lucid dreaming does provide the possibility of these experiences, and much, much, more. There are genuine methods and practices to facilitate lucid dreaming, and if you really desire it, it can happen. I would recommend to those who truly want to explore the dream state, that reading the wealth of books available on this subject, is prob the best way to further your journey of discovery in this area. I hope someday we can just take a pill, and experience psychic phenomena like lucid dreaming, but we are not there yet. This is just my personal opinion, and I make no claims about any specific "lucid-dream assist" technology.
I take back my comment he even shopped in an iphone http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php… take a look at those edges.
To anyone who wants to help spread the word about this scam, report this project to kickstarter. also go to http://tinyurl.com/ny4j8qj (vsause2's video) and write a comment telling people about the scam. Thank you
Also like the other comments related to this scam so Vsause can see it and inform there viewers.
The pledges are now below 400k! I guess GXP can take back there 17th update ha! Keep spreading the word guys! Go on the vsauce video make a comment http://m.youtube.com/watch…
Thumbs up any you see about the scam. Go on twitter Facebook myspace whatever. There are still over 2000 people with $150+ put into this "project"
There is no fraud/scam option because Kickstarter does all that verification before the project goes live on their site. Revenue Quebec even called us to make sure that we'll be paying income tax on the amount funded. And to make sure we charge sales taxes to our Canadian backers.
It is regretful that 3 out of 2600+ backers have been led to believe that this project is fake, etc, and have by themselves cast a shadow of doubt on something that was supposed to be a fun and unique way to collaborate and develop our product.
It's doubtful that Kickstarter will forfeit their commission because 3 people are asking for extras with 70 hours to go, and with almost 3000 people who are expecting to receive a LUCI.
Like we said, you are under no obligation to back this project and you may simply purchase LUCI at online retailers when it goes for sale in early spring.
I mean GXP I see that you say this but I mean I think you would gain all of your gone backers back and some if you provided just a little more proof. It's very easy to do.
@GXP I don't think its the lack of extras its the lack of many pictures, or at that non photoshopped ones. We don't need people in the pictures so if they don't want to appear that's fine what we are asking for more is assurance that our money is actually going towards a product and not just another pocket. Be proud of your work and show it off.
Too true @ricky. If you're shy about photos/videos then get a friend to model it. We just want solid proof.
And I'm saying this calmly and nicely but I mean honestly I know so many people are backers but if you don't provide a little more proof you might lose A LOT of backers and funders and run the chance of Kickstarter removing this. I mean the extra $2,000 might not seem like a lot to gain back but it will be worth it in the next 50 hours to provide more proof because you could lose a lot of backers and funds in the next 50 hours if you don't provide a little more proof.
Just because you pay your taxes doesn't mean you have a working prototype. You claim that you have the prototype and have had amazing results with it. All we want is a little proof that it actually exists!
Yeah.... because a picture of your progress without photo shop editing is SO much to ask for.
You brought this on yourself GXP.
What did you guys write in the description. I'm getting ready to back out.
Giving in an hour before backing out
Another concerned backer, if no photo/video update is provided in the next 24h. I will also back out.
The only reason GXP got back on is because he saw his pledges dropping like flies
GPX please just show all of us a new photo of the prototype. i can bet if it assures all of us u will have a boost of popularity again
If GXP doesn't release any new information soon and we can get Vsause2 to make a formal statement to its viewers saying this project is a scam we can save alot of people there money. You can comment on the video ( http://tinyurl.com/ny4j8qj ) informing them its a scam.
Guys you're not getting a new picture of the Luci because it does not exist its a rubberband with photoshopped electrodes and a photoshopped amplifier. But hey! Those earbuds look pretty good!
can you please release a photo howing where the headphone jack will be?
I sleep on my right side, so I need to know where the jack will be please
just share a pictures!
This is a copy of the RISKS & CHALLENGES section on the main page. If you read it slowly, and really think about what it says, I think it speaks volumes about the developers of this product.
"As you know, some things can take longer and some can take less time than anticipated. We hope that you will understand if there are unavoidable delays or complications. The appropriation of funds shall remain at our discretion. Use of funds may include (but not limited to) product development, travel, debt repayment, facilities and utilities. If the project does not reach completion, any unused portion will be refunded to those who have rewards still pending and in proportion to the backed amount. We shall not be held legally or financially responsible under any circumstances. As a backer, you accept these terms and conditions."
Thanks for linking that Curt they pretty much said "We might not even have a product made but back us so we can make one and when we send it to you it might not work and we won't be held legally for that and we will keep your money to try to develop a product that will be sold for $300 and it'll be good then but the one you'll receive won't be the final version so buy the $300 version for the good version
Nice find. I was just about to post that.
No, from what it sounds like they can use the funds however they want.
So, let's assume they buy a $300k car for travelling purposes to meet with manufacturers.
Now they only have $98k left. Turns out it ain't enough for production.
Woopty-f*cking-doo. Guess it's time to refund the leftover $98k to backers.
I mean, they did need that car for travel purposes didn't they?
I'm removing my pledge in 68 hours should there be no proof.
And there still posting updates?
I don't really know how I feel about this project and whether or not its fake.. However I will note the lasts comment from GPX saying that Revenue Quebec called them to make sure they pay income tax on amounts funded........... I know how the Canada Revenue Agency works (for any none Canadian backers won't understand how a province has a completely different tax system than the rest of the country but Canadians understand how Quebec is different). Anyways I very highly doubt that any legitimate call wound be made, however given the fraud that has being committed in Quebec I could see a phone call being made.
My point is comments like this make me question everything else even though I don't really believe its fraud. I know what I know and this is just weird. I backed for the e-book and was waiting to be convinced to purchase the actual unit... If I have too I will pay retail price when the time comes.
Please don't insult my intelligence.
With every new comment you make, you sound more and more desperate.
#1 Kickstarter is very careful about fraud and scam, but things can slip though: look at the recent Kobe Beef incident.
#2 Really? How did Revenu Québec even know of an unfinished campaing on an American website? They don't know you have money unless you declare it. And Revenu Quebec has jurisdiction only in...Quebec. It has nothing to do with the rest of Canada. And again, how would they know about your project?
#3 There are a lot more than 3 of us who doubt the claims you can't (or won't) back. You, by refusing to provide the proof we ask, have yourself cast "a shadow of a doubt" as you put it.
#4 Kickstarter has a lot more than its comission on its mind: its reputation as a safe place to create and crowdsource new project and ideas. I think they can pay the bills with 20k less in their pockets.
#5 That is what you claim. You have provided no proof to back it, or anything else you've said. How will it be manufactured? Where? How will the testing be done? What will you do to obtain the various certification needed?
When you read through it, your project has very few details and a lot of words.
But it turns out to be empty, just like you.
I really want this product to be real, but all of these comments are making me think otherwise. I am really looking forward to see if an update is made with some proof of a working model before the campaign ends. If not, I will probably remove my pledge and just wait for reviews when (or if) it comes out in stores.
Please guys. if u suspect that this is indeed fraud please leave comments in GPX updates. If you found out about this product through Vsauce 2. then comment or like other comments to notify others of your opinion towards this matter!
Im not one for keeping on a matter such as this. But if we do nothing and he is a fake then he walks away with allot of money!!!!
Do not let this happen. Lets show what GPX that we can change the outcome!
Well said Alex
You can comment on the video ( http://tinyurl.com/ny4j8qj ) informing Vsause2 its a scam.
We are in the top comments last time I checked the video. Here it is again: http://youtube.com/watch…
I think a user by the name of plif has made it into the top comments exposing Luci and I also left a comment under the name of 3firstnames94 please go favorite the comments so people can be refunded. Thanks!
#1: Don't know about the Kobe beef incident.
#2: as soon as our project reached the $75,000 quarterly threshold for reporting GST/PST, we received a call from the revenue Quebec office in Laval. There are several news articles reporting that Kickstarter is currently being targeted by revenue Quebec and revenue canada. Both federal and provincial sales taxes are handled by revenue Quebec. It's been like that for many years. You live in Quebec and go to Université Laval. You should know this.
#5: If you dig into the endless scam related comments, you will see that we have addressed all those issues.
Curtrock, that was addressed last week.
1, 2, 5?
@GXP why cant you just take a quick picture or video of your project and post it online, its not that hard
And I mean like everyone in the comments has been saying just provide us lost backers with a little more proof and you'll gain all of your lost backers back and some. Listen to the users a little.
Yep GXP you addressed all our concerns accept our concern that Luci is not real. 90% of the comments are asking for a simple picture which you refuse to provide because you don't have a Luci. Loser
I don't care about the taxes. None of us do. Until you supply a legit photo or video nobody will be satisfied.
Show us the photo!
Just listen to the backers a little GXP and provide different proof. Why are you beating around the bush with that! If you provide new proof YOU WILL RECEIVE ALL OF YOUR LOST BACKERS BACK! I mean you already have so many backers that I think you don't care about us lost backers and that you're already scamming so many people out of their money that we don't matter.
Your #2 answer is a non-proof... the fact that there are articles telling you it happened could very well be the reason you are claiming it happened. PHOTOS/VIDEOS, MAN! That's all we need.
It really bothers me that GPX technologies or Wayne Kendall cannot be found on LinkedIn, Facebook, Twitter, or Google. And also, for people who followed the comments a little bit : "Wayne Kendall" removed his Facebook account.
We are giving money to someone we've never seen who owns a company who never existed.
If it's a scam, is kick-starter refunding the ones who pledged ?
No you havent addressed all the scam issues...why is your prototype photo a fake photoshop job?
Good catch Ricky 1,2,5 it made me lol
It really bothers me that GXP technologies or Wayne Kendall cannot be found on LinkedIn, Facebook, Twitter, or Google. And also, for people who followed the comments a little bit : "Wayne Kendall" removed his Facebook account.
If u are defending your point so strongly why don't u just post a picture or video of the prototype to prove everyone wrong.
Kickstarter states in their guidelines that all funds are for the project creator and KICKSTARTER can't refund but the project creators can. Since GPX stated that all funds will not be considered for refund, the money they use can be used for anything in reference to the Luci, and that they are not in legal liability, NO ONE WILL GET A REFUND IF THIS PRODUCT IS A DISASTER!
Alexandre zabbal you can remove your pledge before the campaign ends
To remove your pledge(on an iPhone) click manage pledge then scroll to the bottom and click cancel pledge.
@GXP - All your backers want are a few unaltered pictures of the prototype and its parts from various angles, so we can remove any nagging doubts about the project. It's not that much to ask for, and could be done in just a handful of minutes.
Doing so would simultaneously reassure backers and silence the naysayers, so why the reluctance?
the 1,2,5 thing is him replying to previous points made by a backer, leave it alone and stop getting sidetracked. ask for proof and share knowledge that this is a possible scam.
Taking a picture and uploading it is about one of the easiest things to do! I mean if GXP can't provide that much then this company, first off, is faking their product. Secondly, they are not a serious company if they can't satisfy angry customers with something as simple as taking a picture of their product and uploading it. Lastly, it shows that they are scamming almost a half a million dollars out of nice and trusting users which just makes GXP assholes in general.
To anyone who wants to help spread the word about this scam, report this project to kickstarter and go to http://tinyurl.com/ny4j8qj (vsause2's video) and write a comment telling people about the scam. Thank you
Unfortunately, we won't be anywhere near the office this week. Taking some well deserved time off with the family. But I will be taking the time to compile a complete list of requested features.
We understand that every campaign has it's share of naysayers and doubters. It's all good and we won't be taking it personally. All part of the funding process!
Have a great week everybody! And thanks again to all our supporters!
And there it is, people.....the Company is going dark, on the last 3 days of their Kickstarter campaign......what does that tell you? Lmao :)
OH MY LORD! "WON'T BE AT THE OFFICE" NOW I KNOW THIS IS BULL! I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE EXCUSE THAT THEY ROLL OUT! I HOPE THEY LOSE SO MANY FUNDS!
#2 You really are trying to debate taxes? Please, do link some proof instead of making un-backed claims!
#5 No, you did not answer anything. All arguments/claims you have made were either refuted or discredited. Questions you could not answer were ignored.
And now, here you go...leaving with your hard-earned money after the campaign has ended.
Also, good job on the good ol' Facebook stalking. I hope you liked what you saw.
Just another lie from the good people at GXP Tech !!!
taking some time off with the 400k huh. hope everyone sees this and backs out.
Please, every backer, remove your pledge as soon as you can. I just spent the last hour reading comments and :
1. Wayne Kendall removed his Facebook account.
2.The picture shown are Photoshopped. (http://goo.gl/de0PMU)
3. GXP Technologies does not exist.
4. Wayne Kendall explained in his update that he was extremely busy working on Luci, now he is "Taking some well deserved time off with the family".
5. You will not get a refund.
btw- generally, with the 40+ projects i've backed, i don't see this type of problem unless something is up. something that also seemed to bother people besides me, is the addition of the 500 extra black LUCIs, when if you backed for the first run of them, you paid $25 extra dollars for a color, and that color was supposed to be limited to the first 500 backers. to exaust this supply, and then say "well, whadda ya know!? since people are so into paying extra money for a different color, let double what we said we would produce!"- i can't think of a good reason to do this, unless the first 500 backers got something special for being with you since the start...
as i was saying, a LOT of projects reward the first backers to get them going... AND , if something is limited, it's limited because only so many were made. you don't make more based on demand, or the success of that item. i mean, if you are going to do something like that, just make that color unlimited like the rest, so you don't give people the wrong idea, or do what many would consider an outright lie.
i'm starting to nitice the funding is dropping... not much, but people must be a little upset...
Entirely legit or not, such poor preparation and time management that you "won't be anywhere near the office this week", during the critical last 72 hours when so much doubt is left uncleared in the air (especially there's $400k of OTHER PEOPLE'S money on the line)... Simply doesn't speak well for where the project is going.
At this point, I have no choice but to reduce my backing amount to just $1.
"nitice" = notice
I'm at awe at how nearly $400k is not motivation enough to acquiesce to simple "proof" requests. This feels way, way fishy. For what I'd be saving versus MSRP, it's definitely not worth the risk after seeing the facts at hand.
Sucks too...I know everyone on here wanted this to be real just as much as I did...and seeing some of the arguments others are still having with the GXP broken record...there are some still holding out for that shred of hope -- and I can respect that, but I'm cutting and will happily pay MSRP if/when this or something like this is ever made available.
I am fairly certain of one thing though...if this thing were legit, judging by how GXP chooses to handle things, those that stick around are in for one helluva rollercoaster ride. I'd rather keep my sanity and pay MSRP. Good luck y'all.
With GXP's last comment, I will be removing my support. I would think a person with a legit offer would be bending over backwards and would be putting in 16+ hour days during this final push. Time for family is after the deal is done.
You people are bloody incorrigible...
The amount of controversy over this project is growing out of control, even I don't know what to believe anymore and kickstarters lack of cover over scenarios like this is not comforting.
The huge lack of communication from GXP about the actual development of the product is a big disappointment for me. Ever since update 15,16 which were the first and only development updates Ive seen and only dot points at that, there's been nothing but screams of fraud and GPX retaliating.
Sorry GXP but how bloody hard is it to provide regular updates on the actual product instead of the state of its pledges, even something as simple as picking up a smartphone or camera and recording more footage that isn't edited or about the selling points and eye candy and uploading it.
PS. Wont be at the office?, REALLY. your not going to be getting involved with the community that damn well funded this product at the most important moment? I cannot believe this. GXP what the hell are you doing on kickstarter? If your communication and support is ANYTHING like it currently is after the product ships i feel sorry for the people who
If you have any doubts about this product make sure you report it. if it turns out to be legit thats great but if it turns out to be a scam (which it is) we will save 2,629 people there money and also write a comment on http://tinyurl.com/ny4j8qj (Vsause2's video) telling people it is a scam. Thank you
Removed pledge, GPX's behaviour is ridiculous at this point.
Complete bull $h!t...... With only a couple days to go you are not going to respond to any of us & your going on a vacation?!? WTF kind of crap is that?!??
Anyone who leaves their money in this project now is a complete fool.
If you have any doubts about this product make sure you report it. If it turns out to be legit thats great but if it turns out to be a scam (which it is) we will save alot people there money. Also write a comment on http://tinyurl.com/ny4j8qj (Vsause2's video) telling people it is a scam. Make sure to repost this comment so it stays close to the top for people to read. Thank you
Is there any way to warn everyone else who may not be checking this page? If I hadn't been checking this page, I'd still be losing $150. At this rate at least 2000 people are still backing it.
If they have read the comments and are still going to back it, that's their loss. But I want everyone to at least see what they've gotten themselves into.
people, please go to manage funds, scroll to the bottom and cancel pledge. this guy/company does not even deserve $1 of your hard earned money!!. not to mention the stress hes put on you with lack of updates.
we need to keep at least $1 so we can comment
Maybe you should go fishing on your days off... or perhaps you've already had enough of that over the last 27 days.
i mean in the last few hours, should have been a little more clear on that. lol
Check out how this is trending NEGATIVE on Kicktraq, now.... Lol
just reduced my pledge from $150 to $1
cannot believe kickstarter havent pulled the plug yet. What do people think about tweeting Kickstarter...hashtag suggestions anyone?
I'm gonna rely on the comments here for some reason,
and I'm pulling my pledge from $150 to $1
Everyone, report this project. Use the scenario "This is not a project". Reduce your pledge to $1 and eventually cancel it. Please go to:
,a YouTube video by vsauce2 promoting this scam, and make a comment stating Luci is a scam. Look for similar comment, such as the ones from users "plif" and "3firstnames94" and give them a thumbs up so others can see that Luci is a scam. Also use your other social media accounts like Facebook and Twitter by using hashtags like #luci and #kickstarter and state that this project is a scam! Help other people get there money back before its too late! Thank you.
PS Copy and paste this message if you want I'll probably post it at least ten times myself. Good luck everyone!
Dropped mine to $1 and will cancel all together in 65 hours.
FWIW, thx to google images and the site: prefix, I found the amp...
No idea if this helps either way.
I'm a little confused. I can see they used a picture of an off the shelf amp, but they stated it was a third party amp.
Also the side-by-side pictures are definitely different amps (albeit from a similar angle).
I Also reduced pledge From 150$ to 1$
Going on vacation in the heat of the moment? Are they focking serious???
Why isnt kickstarter abandoning them??
I removed pledge but have now added $1 so I can comment.
Anyone who doesn't think this is a scam...(which it may not be!)...put yourself in GXPs shoes for a moment.
Imagine you have an invention, that works, that people want, that you can build a career on. You get it on kickstarter and raise well over the necessary funds. When it's done...you will receive just shy of $400k!!!
It's stressful to manage the project...lots of people asking lots of questions...but it's your career, your credibility on the line here...so....YOU GO ON HOLIDAY...shortly before the funding is due to end!
The guy doesn't respond to negative comments other than to address the criticism as it being normal at this stage in a KS project!? Which it isn't...plenty of projects have people really excited at the end.
We live in 2013...doesn't matter where this guy is going he has a mobile phone surely...that's more than enough to get in touch.
If he technologically capable enough get in touch while he is on vacation with his family to the people giving him nearly half a mil...he probably isn't going to be able to build this thing!
Not worth the hassle or risk of finding out it is a scam...I'll leave that to some other idiot...last one out turn out the lights yeah?!
Which bit of that doesn't add up?
Dragonbait..see the fotoanalytics links below
"Nov. 11 to Nov. 22 - Redesign a PCB which includes the amplifier and microprocessor on one board."
"Nov. 11 to Nov. 15 - Take a break guy, chillax, take a load off, those dogs are barking."
Dropped my pledge from $150 to $1 and reported the project to kickstarter.
just dropped my pledge from 175 CAD to 1 CAD, this is just getting to hot for me.. sorry GXP, i REALLY wanted to trust you and i absolutely will buy Luci if it will come to market, but right now im feeling to scared to back this bullsh.
@Ken Allan - Good find/reminder.
All the more support to my point about "poor preparation and time management", regardless of the legitimacy of the project.
The Quebec business registry is back online and these guys seem legit! Sorry I doubted!
I think that everybody here has been overreacting.
Are they claiming to have a registered trademark for LUCI? (As written in project title)
A lookup in the Canadian trademark database tells a different story...
Oops, here's the link to their registration.
And it is true that the Revenu Quebec and Canada Revenue Agency has been targeting Kickstarter. I read an article about it last week.
@Jean-Francois inb4 owners account + that link doesnt event link back to the actual registry page just the general search area.
I have also lowered my pledge to $1.00, I asked them a number of questions that they never responded to. One of the main reasons I backed this was for it's multi-use ..
i.e.. They had stated that if there were enough backers, they were going to add on a USB device where you could then analyse your brain waves on your PC. That would have bee pretty kewl, as you could then use it as a Sleepbot app of sorts and it could accurately record how much sleep you're getting.
But as far as I can tell, they never received enough backers for that.. Although I came on board late, so couldn't missed the update of that being included. When I messaged them about it however, I received no response.
@rschlaefli, I think the symbol for a registered trademark is a circle with an "R" (R). The TM can be used by non-registered trademarks as a non-official way of saying that they don't want anyone to copy them
@Matthew S, check out the second link I posted. These guys are legit. At least they're not lying about who they are.
Seriously, I have seen where this discussion came from and it's kinda unwarranted. Some guy named Michael has a competing product and started a rumor that got everybody cancelling their pledges.
Kinda sad where this campaign is going. I will support is all that I can!
Did some exploration, the term Luci is trademarked in Canada, but it doesn't fit the description if this guy. The trademark was filed in 2001, in Toronto. The current owner lives in NYC, so unless this guy is completely lying, he doesn't even own the trademark. (http://www.cipo.ic.gc.ca)
But you still cannot use tm if there already is a registered trademark with the same name?
BTW, they posted a comparison of the two pcb's. And they're not even the same. Stop panicking!
And you guys are ganging up on the creator because he's taking some time off? I'd be taking some time off too if I had to deal with this crap!
SHAME ON ALL OF US FOR DOUBTING GXP!!!
Worst case scenario, they'll have to change the name to something else.
@Jean-Francois It doesn't make sense, if he was legitimate, why can't he take just 30 seconds to take a video of the product? Explain that.
@Jean-Francois it may all be over reaction...there may be genuine explanations for all these questions but...by simply not being here to quell these issues and set minds at ease, they will lose backers.
If I had $400k sitting in an account for me. I would sure as he'll defend it and do my best to ensure it was hitting my bank account at some stage!
I hope in wrong about GXP. I sincerely hope they are genuine and the product is as awesome as I hoped. But the risk just isn't worth $150 for me and I don't think they have done enough for me to take that risk!
people are ganging up on the creator for his inability to take pictures, disappearance from facebook, and disappearance from KS when people question his integrity.
I have a general question for you knowledgeable people. Can raw data from the electrodes be exported into the open-source software that exists out there? Like on OpenEEG's web site?
No offense, but they have no obligation to do anything! Especially because of some competitor who planted doubts in people's heads.
got a source for your accusation?
Jean-Francois -- you are quite the spirited advocate. Too bad GXP is on vacation and can't see how well you are going to bat for them........Hey...wait a minute....
If he's not gonna link this supposed competitor's project, then there is no reason Jean-Francois couldn't be the GXP guy on a diff account =/
LOLL. Since when is having a Facebook an obligation??? Even I don't have a Facebook account! Boycotted it a long time ago. Caused too many personal issues. And from GXP's comment regarding Facebook, it appears to be the case too.
Jean-Francois, there is no evidence Michael is trying to sell anything. I dont care about company names, trademarks, going on vacation, taxes etc. What I care about is that the prototype photo is FAKE. If you zoom in it is obviously a cut and paste job. Then check out the fotoanalytics links. If he has a working prototype then why would he post a faked image?
Please, tell me how these two images (note especially that the cables' location are exactly the same):
Do NOT obviously have this image photoshopped into them:
... As for "competitor", you mean Michael Paul Coder's OPEN SOURCE project?
i don't have a facebook either, the point was he's raising red flagsby deleting it so people can't find him when this is revealed to be fake
At this point anyone that thinks this is real, deserves to be get scammed really. I mean come on, I do financial and business due diligence for a living, when the owner refuses to do a simple thing like taking a picture or a video, its rather obvious something is up. Shame, I was very excited about LUCI
Jean-Francios is likely a plant. And not the leafy kind, the underhanded kind.
Look at how he just recently joined kickstarter. Backed only ONE project, and feels the need to comment ONLY to white knight GXP.
They do have an obligation fulfill the rewards @Jean-Fracois They can write whatever they want, but when they started the project the legally agreed to the Kickstarter TOS therefore creating a legal bind that says the have to fulfill their rewards. Read more here about their obligations. http://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq/kickstarter+basics…
Ha ha. Funny. I had the same doubts as everybody! But since the business registry topic was such a big missing link, I thought I would check to see if was back, and it is. And it turns out that they're exactly who they say they are.
I see Caluka, Anixa, Infoclik, everything's there. For me, this was what I was most concerned about. I no longer have any concerns.
@yeti... The guy's name was Michael Coder something or other. I don't feel like scrolling down the endless pages of comments to find him. I pretty much remember he's the one that started the whole discussion with Manoko.
Every project is a crap shoot. There are some people naive enough to back a $100 3D printer for god's sake! Now that's pretty stupid and naive! A lucid dreaming device for $150, that's plausible to me.
Bed time for me. I gotta get up soon! lol
Hey! Keep my $100 3D printer out of this JF. ;-)
Peachy had actual Videos showing it functioning, as well as prototypes. That is more than what can be said for GXP, who refuses to even comment to detractors.
But to each their own.
I'm going to say you're either a troll or a plant at this point. I'm leaning towards plant due to your conspicuous timing and how you're okay with the customer service GXP has displayed towards it's fans so far.
That can be said about all backers who remain on GXP's side through this fiasco. Real or not, when a company begins to treat you like dog meat, when you're the one putting HARD EARNED CASH into their product out of nothing but blind faith... you deserve respect.
More respect than GXP is willing to give any of its backers.
Links to the alleged competitor's comments and Open Source project Jean-Francois mentioned. It being free makes him not a competitor and Jean-Francois a plant.
@ziad Didn't they say they were away from the office this week? Kinda makes it hard to take pictures or videos.
Sorry guys, but the more I read your comments, the more I want to defend GXP.
They've been really good at keeping up with the suggestions about the features. Why would you doubt them? Or at least their willingness to make a good product?
How bout we continue discussing features? Might make em come back to the discussion?
How thick do you have to be to not understand the reason they are "going away" is because their bull was found out?
Thanks for the name. I Googled it and came up with this...
It shows a headband that he's developing that uses audio alerts. And this guy's the one that put doubts in everyone's head.
Shame on him for pulling this crazy shit and shame on us all for believing him!
Ok, I'm really off to bed now.
Away from the office, in contradiction to their own timeline ("Nov. 11 to Nov. 22 - Redesign a PCB which includes the amplifier and microprocessor on one board.")... And in the critical last 72 hours of a KS project funding period, right as serious concerns about the legitimacy of the project was being brought up by multiple backers, and some of the images used for the project was discovered to have been photoshopped?
Sorry, you're just providing support to SnookumsBooboo's guess that you're actually a plant.
@ Jean-Francois We have been asking them for a video for more than a week now. Furthermore, at this point many things are fishy not just the requested "video"
Come on @yeti, stop speculating. Don't back them if you don't want. But don't talk out of your ass either.
we know its you GXP
how stupid do you think people are?!
Michael, did you see the side by side comparison that they put up? The pcb's don't even look the same! The proof is right there, no?
why don't you just give us pics of your "real stuff" since your apparently not out of the office "Jean"?
https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/001/308/574/c733998a1d6145ca059bbd8d74ff67c7_large.jpg… Notice the holes are suddenly brown as they where black yesterday and the wires are still fake! So they are claiming it isnt photoshopped! Hoe stupid can you be if you believe its real?
I like how the input of the amplifier is connected to the microcontroller and the output is connected to the headband..
jean-francois, can`t you see the wiring is fake?
i sure hope he can being the one that took the picture and edited it.
The pcb's don't look the same because GXP cropped the image, removed the black from the screw holes with the "wand tool" and brought the brightness up almost double, then added a layer mask to only affect the Pcb board and the headband. Simple shit easy editing! Im a student photgrapher and i know when someone who doesn't know how to use photoshop gets ahold of a image. Also the board in the original image from online has some depth to the chip, looking closely into the image they have, its paper thin! you deleted parts of the image u could not see! and resulted in making the image more fake!
Sorry, you must think we're blind. Using photo-manipulation software to rotate the PCB slightly and add transparent holes into it... Doesn't do much when it's bleedingly obvious that the sleeving for the components on the PCB are also EXACTLY the same as the source image that was found on the net.
I hope the band can second as a blind cover for those bright sunny mornings you just wanna go back to sleep and hope for another lucid dream
I've been looking at the side by side pcb's. One of them has 2.5 yellow things showing behind those big cylinders (sorry, I have no clue in electronics) and the other one has 1.5 yellow things showing. And the pins look like they're bent in the one on the left. It's not the same board.
This is important because this is something that has caused everyone to panic. And they provided strong proof (to me anyway) that it's not the case.
please link the first image, it comes up with access denied for me. i have seen the one with the transparent holes
Funny how everybody backed up this project just the way it was. But then...
- We thought the photo was photoshoped, but they proved us wrong.
- We thought they weren't who they said they were, but their business registration proved us wrong.
But now we want a video, and if we don't have it, we're backing out. If they provide a video, we'll want something else! I'd be taking a vacation too! loll
They posted the side-by-side photos directly on the project page. For me, that's honesty.
@Jean-Francois Now its just sad. These people gave their money to you, they trusted you, and this is how you treat them? shame on you
It's all semantics...what it boils down to is simple.
There are accusations as to the integrity of this project.
This comments thread and in fact the whole KS platform is built upon the creator or inventor's ability to communicate with their audience. So..."Hey, GXP...want to speak up?".
In this case clearly the creator is stupid enough to go on vacation during the final few hours of his project....take your money and run! Don;t be one of the suckers who hasn't kept an eye on this project and ultimately the targets this scammer loves to pickpocket!
I hope I'm wrong I hope it's all just negative hype! But let's face it...the guy has gone on holiday leaving this $400k project to coast through to the finish line...that is beyond stupid.
That sort of money is more than the finalist of "The Apprentice" get. More than the majority of startup's have access to in the first year. More than enough to make some nasty people get greedy!
Enjoy your holiday...I'm not getting your beers in!
@Jean-Francois, i joined this KS pretty late. it started out good then the photoshop thing and the registration thing made it shady. now, apparently its all solved but why no video/photo long before that?. also the holiday when scheduled design refinements are supposed to be going on arent helping ease anything, all that has been decided is what the product will have and what material it will be made from.
im backing out for now but will gladly pay full retail when and if LUCI is released.
Yep. Just moved my $5 support down to $1. They don't even deserve those extra $4.....
And I'll most likely pull out completely on the last day.
AHAHAHAHA I've just looked at this image...
....I wasnlt getting involved in the Photoshop talks before but....Jeez that is soooo fake!
The Red PCB on the wood is not right...the resolutions and clarity are completely different...even me...an amateur...can see that!
This gets worse and worse as time goes on...pull your pledge now people!
I hate to be a scaremonger but this just is not worth it!
I don't think there're many more features they can add to the LUCI anyway. We'll see when they add an update with all their compiled features. And I believe we comment after the campaign has ended. So it doesn't change anything really.
I agree, the timing is a little bad, but if the 3 days remaining are not even spent discussing the project, who cares if they took some time off.
Here, I reuploaded all the images for reference...
Original image, with the conspicuous black spots in the corners of the PCB:
New image, with transparent to get rid of the black in the corners:
The reference image that was found:
Again, "Sorry, you must think we're blind."
Anybody who looks closer to those "big cylinders", can see for themselves that the sleeving for them are EXACTLY the same. No maybe, ifs, or buts about it.
@Jean-Francois aka @GXP
Well what do you think of this irrefutable proof that all the pictures are photoshopped.
The band at the least seems to be real in the photo but as you can see in the corner the iPhone has been shopped in.
http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php… but the rest of the "device" I can hardly say the same.
Im not going to tell you what to think or what I think but looking at the ELA of these pictures can clearly show something.
Ill definitely be waiting till the "market" release before I get this even if it means I end up paying x2 of the value that is posted on KS.
Ill also get in contact with KS and try to get them to verify a few questions that I think most would like answers ill post back with the results if I can get them in time.
How can you "hide" things in a photo by just skewing it? You can't.
I think GXP explained all those images earlier tonight, no?
Anyway, with the 3 days that are left, I would love to actually talk about the product's development. That's what brought me to this discussion board.
Jean-François is clearly GXP.
Alright, I finished my long dreamy night, time to read all those comments since I went to bed (220+ comments to read !).
@Jean-Francois - you are kidding right? You are a troll or something right?
Look at those pictures! How have more people not removed their pledge?
Show me where GXP explained these images!?
This is insane!!!!!!!
@Michael Brand thank you, ill be cancelling my $1 in the final few hours.
My pledge: $175 -> $1. Will probably remove the last $1 completely before the campaign has ended.
"I pretty much remember he's the one that started the whole discussion with Manoko."
At least you recognize me as one of the initial detractors, thanks bro. :p
LOLL. Okay, that is really getting stupid. I'm speechless, don't even know what else to say but have fun with your photo forensics! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!
Good night Jean-François, may you retrieve those eyes you seem to have lost.
LOL...glad others have the same suspicion about JF that I commented on earlier...I should have just come out and said it :)
"Jean-Francois -- you are quite the spirited advocate. Too bad GXP is on vacation and can't see how well you are going to bat for them........Hey...wait a minute...."
This is getting comical...JF hasn't even addressed the accusations that he's really GXP.
Don't forget to ditch at the last hour...would hate to leave him still with $2,612
Just a suggestion for people who don't know yet if to remove their pledges or not:
According to the GXP, this will be available for sale about the same time as the last of the rewards has been shipped. By then there should be quite a few reviews out there. It might cost a few dollars more, but then you at least know what you will be getting (if anything).
Ok I'm out guys, I was happy to make that initial post about the photoshopped pictures that at last proved GXP were fake, at least the prototypes.
I'll report the project to Kickstarter pointing to my comments for further explanation on why this needs to be investigated very soon.
The "going on vacation" and coming back a day after the campaign has ended is bullcrap, again, something really fishy.
Not to mention this "Jean-François" that never was active in the comments until GXP left, and since then have done nothing to defend them even if it meant to contradict the most basic of logics.
Down from 150$ to 1$. Thanks to manoko, Michael and the rest. Sorry GXP, but it is not possible to trust you.
What's even more ridiculous, on further examination, is how the supposedly "Too much flash!" image:
Manages to ONLY overexpose the PCB in contention and the logo on the headband, while EVERYTHING ELSE that you'd also expect to be affected by overexposure (the PCB in the middle, the earbuds, the cabling, and the table itself) is actually EXACTLY the same as you see here, in the originally shown image:
You're welcome, now we just need to make sure no one will get scammed.
Please, those of you who read this using your brain, report this project to Kickstarter ASAP. 65 hours to go is not long before GXP collect your money and never talk to you again.
Yes, but I figured this new photoshopped image is so obvious that it doesn't even need to be compared with the last. This is ridiculous, they take us for complete retards.
Cant kickstarter check THE ip adresses From gxp and Jean-francois and see if they match?
I really want this project to be real, and actually the so called "naysayers" wouldn't bother me too much.
What bothers me is how the problem is handled.
The accusations given are valid but the defence is weak.
For a team that builds technology capable of reading brainwaves it cannot be too hard to make 2-3 duckface photos with their prototype instead of reposting variations of their old pictures.
Also going on vacation might be well earned - I know people who run a KS campaign and they were working their ass off in the last week, so I could understand that - but you cannot just turn your back to those problems and expect to problems to go away.
And apart from a professionality standpoint i want to add my personal opinion that the goldseller / buyer site looks very fishy.
I will go to 1$ an continue to monitor the next two days but in the end I would rather pay double if this really works than be fooled.
@Michael Paul Coder
I'd like to apologize to you sincerely. It was hard believing you at first but since my latest findings, it now makes a lot of sense.
Sorry mate, and thanks a lot.
@Manoko Thanks man for showing me what you did so that I could remove my pledge in time. I was sceptical in the beginning but I thought they would deliver.
@Everyone who still doubts what the "naysayers" are saying.
Just click on my profile page and see my comments there. You'll find the comment that started this very long and often confusing discussion: the one where I talk about photoshoped pictures and give link. This will prove to you, without a doubt, that all this campaign is fake.
I won't be here until the end of the campaign, I refuse to even give them a single dollar. I trust those of you who know the situation very well to keep on informing people about this not-so-well designed scam.
@Matthew, you're very welcome mate. Don't want them to profit from honest individuals.
Alright everyone, this is the comment that explains why it is fake: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/caluka/lucitm-advanced-lucid-dream-inducer/comments…
Please, share this post whenever you can, so that new people coming to read the comment can understand and see for themselves that this is a scam !
Thanks guys, I pulled my pledge too (actually pledging $1 so I can make a comment). The over-exposed pic just didn't make sense because if the flash was too strong, you should see the shadow to be darker and yet the before and after pic showed the exact same shadow. I had backed many projects and in all other projects, there were always photos update at a minimum. I am going to wait and pay retail since there's no guarantee that this will work.